[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Again a premature accusation, according to newspaper reports he MAY have commited Fraud. Just because it is reported in a paper you read, doesnt make it fact. As for Fraud being a criminal offence, is it? Not if you are an MP stealing public funds through the expense form.

Maybe Capello did take it into account, maybe he didnt, maybe it was the only consideration he took before asking Terry to turn his armband in. Who knows, you certainly dont, yet you insist on shouting the odds for the "majority of people".

To be quite frank I would say most people either support him as captain or couldnt give a monkeys either way, otherwise they would have been organising protest marches, the letters columns of newspapers would have been full of letters complaining about Terry's actions.



I would say more people care about MP's expenses and the way they appear to be getting let off rather than John Terry's personal life. But the media once again like certain commentators appear to be awfully upset about JT and his private life, maybe its because the big let off over expenses is a done deal and throwing dirt at JT is something they reckon they can force down our throats and actually show the "power of the press" to us sheep.

The sheer volume of postings on said subject, the anger behind said postings and some of your comments in general leave me wondering what if anything happened in your private life to be so set against a sportsman dipping his wick?

Well we will have to agree to differ on this one. If you cannot see why Terry's behaviour has caused so much disgust and anger nationwide, then clearly you are one of the people happy to condone and excuse such behaviour based on your own life experiences. I do not want Terry representing England as Captain in a world competition where the England Team are ambassadors for this country. Simple really. If Chelsea want him as captain that's fine by me- I couldn't give a toss, I don't support Chelsea and they can field as many morally bankrupt players they like.

As regards your attempting to deflect attention away from TERRY's wrongdoings by introducing MPs expenses scandal as an example, several MPs will be prosecuted shortly for fraud if they can't find a way of invoking parliamentary privilege. Unfortunatey for Terry he has found out there is no such thing as sporting privilege. Terry has found out that the public is unforgiving about its national sporting heroes who are expected to behave appropriately, especially if they are REPRESENTING THEIR COUNTRY.

As regards my private life, it is just that, "private" and ordinary probably like yours and millions of other people. I'm sure plenty has happened in your life that has shaped and formed your opinions and views, but that is YOUR business after all and doesn't affect me in the slightest.

Terry can go dip his wick, as you put it, wherever he likes but NOT when it impinges on the cohesion and wellbeing of the World Cup team. I have been vociferous about him being stripped of the captaincy for reasons I have expounded at length on this thread (WHICH IS MY PEROGATIVE), realistically I understand that Capello will probably still include him in the squad, and being a pragmatist I accept that. But the degree and level of protest against JT has been fully justified and what's more, SUCCESSFUL. Capello has earned my respect by finally telling arrogant Terry "BASTA".

I will post as much as I like on any subject I wish to and, here's news, will not be running it by you first for permission. You have the choice to read my postings or not just as I can bypass anything you post if I wish!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

Nahh.
like, it takes 2 people to have an affair.
It wasnt all his fault!
if she didnt want it, then why didnt she stop it?

Thats irrelavent, the pair of them are both to blame, Ive never doubted it, its the so what attitude! Like its par for the course, its perfectly fine to shag yer best mates girlfriend/your blokes mate and ruin your partners life/your kids lives! I can see the argument that why should it affect your job etc, thats fair enough but the geezers lost respect from his England team mates and they dont want him as captain, we've got a world cup to win, we need team cohesion! ...not to mention the public generally who dont want him representing their country

[Angus]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Thats irrelavent, the pair of them are both to blame, Ive never doubted it, its the so what attitude! Like its par for the course, its perfectly fine to shag yer best mates girlfriend/your blokes mate and ruin your partners life/your kids lives! I can see the argument that why should it affect your job etc, thats fair enough but the geezers lost respect from his England team mates and they dont want him as captain, we've got a world cup to win, we need team cohesion! ...not to mention the public generally who dont want him representing their country

Exactly! THAT is why he is no longer Captain

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

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Terry has found out that the public is unforgiving about its national sporting heroes who are expected to behave appropriately, especially if they are REPRESENTING THEIR COUNTRY.

Terry can go dip his wick, as you put it, wherever he likes but NOT when it impinges on the cohesion and wellbeing of the World Cup team. I have been vociferous about him being stripped of the captaincy for reasons I have expounded at length on this thread (WHICH IS MY PEROGATIVE), realistically I understand that Capello will probably still include him in the squad, and being a pragmatist I accept that. But the degree and level of protest against JT has been fully justified and what's more, SUCCESSFUL. Capello has earned my respect by finally telling arrogant Terry "BASTA".

Yeah got to love it.

So now if we dont do well in the World Cup Finals, it will all be John Terry's fault. Nothing to do with the press going out on a witchhunt as they always do. Couldnt the revelations have waited until after the World Cup or do you feel we really needed to know especially in the final few months leading into the competition where building cohesion in the team is a vital factor?

Incidentally talking about examples and role models, what a squeaky clean replacement for John Terry that Ferdinand bloke is, nothing hidden away in his life for the press to rip into, is there? Oops putting to one side, the drunken driving, failing to undertake mandatory drug testing, roastings, sex videos, unsportsmanlike conduct. Isnt he on a three match ban for violent conduct? Now there is a role model for our youngsters, if the games not going the way you want it, lash out and attempt to injure someone.

Then to compound it and show what a gracious sportsman you are appeal the decision, in order to be allowed to play in an important match while your appeal sits waiting to be heard. And earn yourself another match ban for a frivolous appeal.

A fine role model for the youth of today.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah got to love it.

So now if we dont do well in the World Cup Finals, it will all be John Terry's fault. Nothing to do with the press going out on a witchhunt as they always do. Couldnt the revelations have waited until after the World Cup or do you feel we really needed to know especially in the final few months leading into the competition where building cohesion in the team is a vital factor?

Incidentally talking about examples and role models, what a squeaky clean replacement for John Terry that Ferdinand bloke is, nothing hidden away in his life for the press to rip into, is there? Oops putting to one side, the drunken driving, failing to undertake mandatory drug testing, roastings, sex videos, unsportsmanlike conduct. Isnt he on a three match ban for violent conduct? Now there is a role model for our youngsters, if the games not going the way you want it, lash out and attempt to injure someone.

Then to compound it and show what a gracious sportsman you are appeal the decision, in order to be allowed to play in an important match while your appeal sits waiting to be heard. And earn yourself another match ban for a frivolous appeal.

A fine role model for the youth of today.

It just goes to show what a state football is in if Ferdinand is the best replacement Capello has but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

JT, and only JT, is responsible for his own shoddy behaviour, and the newspapers are not there to do him any favours if he is providing them with such juicy material to print. Clearly JT thought he could buy everyone off and gag the papers, and he probably thought he'd get a slap on the wrist from Capello and that would be the end of it. So if he's too dimwitted and arrogant to have foreseen the consequences of his own actions, not just to his family, but to his friends and team mates, he has only himself to blame for the fallout, including taking his share of the blame for jeopardising England's chances in the World Cup.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

It just goes to show what a state football is in if Ferdinand is the best replacement Capello has but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

Who says he hasnt?

Does the state of football or rather of certain players not mirror society in general.

Originally Posted by angus58

Clearly JT thought he could buy everyone off and gag the papers, and he probably thought he'd get a slap on the wrist from Capello and that would be the end of it. So if he's too dimwitted and arrogant to have foreseen the consequences of his own actions, not just to his family, but to his friends and team mates, he has only himself to blame for the fallout, including taking his share of the blame for jeopardising England's chances in the World Cup.

Buy everyone off, oh you mean it's been reported he must have paid her shush money, well in that case that must be true as well.

It would be even funnier if one of the rags printed that his wife didnt mind him playing hide Mr Wobbly with other women because he has a high sex drive and she has a low one eh? I wonder what the real truth behind it all is. I doubt we will ever know.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Who says he hasnt?

Does the state of football or rather of certain players not mirror society in general.




Buy everyone off, oh you mean it's been reported he must have paid her shush money, well in that case that must be true as well.

It would be even funnier if one of the rags printed that his wife didnt mind him playing hide Mr Wobbly with other women because he has a high sex drive and she has a low one eh? I wonder what the real truth behind it all is. I doubt we will ever know.

Hmm, so are YOU are saying that NOTHING printed in the papers is true, unless of course it reflects something you agree with maybe? An irrelevant question really, since it was also reported on the news and in every single newspaper, not just the rubbish tabloids.

As for JT's long suffering wife, she may well decide to stay with him because after all he's minted isn't he? But even if SHE is quite happy for him to play hunt the sausage, what's that got to do with the impact his actions have had on the team?

[Alf]

[QUOTE=angus58;2965261]but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

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and you know that for a fact do you?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

Hmm, so are YOU are saying that NOTHING printed in the papers is true, unless of course it reflects something you agree with maybe? An irrelevant question really, since it was also reported on the news and in every single newspaper, not just the rubbish tabloids.

As for JT's long suffering wife, she may well decide to stay with him because after all he's minted isn't he? But even if SHE is quite happy for him to play hunt the sausage, what's that got to do with the impact his actions have had on the team?

Thats not what I am saying at all. Regardless of the information available to any reporter, the story will often be slanted in some ways due to editorial restrictions. You will of course notice that certain newspapers have been leading the story and most others have simply reported on "further allegations" in the John Terry story. Why do you think they use the term "allegations"? There are a lot of allegations made against him and no doubt a lot more will follow over the next few days, unless of course the press find a new whipping boy.

There are obviously some truths in what has been alleged, but there is probably a lot of rubbish in it too. Maybe after the World Cup is over he may decide to tell (oops or should I say sell) his side of the story. You could infer by attempting to extend the injunction on the story being told he is showing himself to be guilty, one could also infer he wanted to keep it quiet for team morale etc.

Further revelations about Vanessa Perroncel‎'s apparent liking for Chelsea football players appear to be flavour of the week.

My mind keeps rolling back to the days when Piers Morgan was editor in chief of the Mirror and his subsequent rapid removal from his post. There was some truth in the lead story of the time but most of the evidence was made up in the mirror copy room and photo suite. Consequently when the actual truth came out Piers left the building.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=wannashag;2965946]

Originally Posted by angus58

but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

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and you know that for a fact do you?

Not at all, but unless someone has some proveable information (as in JT's case) about Rio's sexploits with an England team mate's gf, ex gf or wife they would like to share, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

[setanta]

I can't believe people are still waffling about this. Do you honestly think Capello is the kind of man to demote a player simply because of rumours and gossip? He made the right decision based on what's best for the team and he's not one to avoid backing a player if he thinks he's been unfairly treated. Game over. Stop talking about it for feck sake.