[ange7]

Originally Posted by arista

No need to Ditch Clegg
they will make use of him to get all the Votes in the house through.


And if Nick plays it OK
he can have some of the Cherry Pie.



But at least
New Dead Labour is going to be small.

lib/lab plus welsh and scot nats plus 1 green = 'bliss'

[arista]

Originally Posted by ange7

lib/lab plus welsh and scot nats plus 1 green = 'bliss'

No.


As Brown did not Win The Election.


You can play any game

But David And Nick are working as One Force
to Keep The UK afloat
and are markets know this.

[barcode]

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.

[arista]

Originally Posted by barcode

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.

Yes they did not Win
David Beat your New Dead Labour Party.


And David and Nick will push
One Eyed Scottish Brown Out
Fact.


You Fecking Lost

[barcode]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes they did not Win
But they Beat your New Dead Labour Party.


You Fecking Lost

I didn't state my political bias idiot. It's not Labour.

[arista]

Originally Posted by barcode

I didn't state my political bias.
It's not Labour.

You do not Have to.

Its David and Nick


or


One Eyed Scottish Brown.


No other Choice.
At this Time.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by barcode

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.

No YOU are misinformed. Cameron has every right to form a minority government right NOW if he so wishes. The fact that he is trying for a coalition in order to ensure a majority in the Commons is so that the Tories will be immediately able to push through legislation without having to worry about numbers. Personally I would prefer a minority government till we have another election in the autumn. Better than dealing with smarmy Clegg whose pathetic number of seats, even when added to Labour's haul, still falls short of a majority!

As to being lower class, I have no problem with that if that's how you define working class. It's just that the expression is really so anachronistic and not often heard outside of old episodes of "Upstairs, Downstairs"(Lol).

I reckon we all got the government we voted for (after all looking back to the 1974 election, despite Ted Heath making a right balls up of his term in office, there were only 4 seats in it between him and Wilson when I would have thought it would be a landslide for Labour!). Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats then went to the country 6 months later and got a small majority. Cameron HAS WON THE MOST SEATS, so get over it. NEW LABOUR ARE DEAD, now we just have to bury them.

I will leave YOU with a thought, NONE of the other parties even came close to the number of seats the Conservatives won, so basically they have the most credible mandate to govern (as a minority) whether you or anyone else likes it or not. The people have effectively told Brown to stuff his party where the sun don't shine, so clearly the Labour Party HAVE lost the trust of the country. Across the nation the Tories needed only 16000 more votes across all of the constituencies to have won an outright majority which is a highly achievable result for the next election. Labour have a mountain to climb, whereas the Tories have a molehill.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by barcode

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.

Great points but they are lost on these guys.
Conservatives had a dream run but couldn't win.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by angus58

No YOU are misinformed. Cameron has every right to form a minority government right NOW if he so wishes. The fact that he is trying for a coalition in order to ensure a majority in the Commons is so that the Tories will be immediately able to push through legislation without having to worry about numbers. Personally I would prefer a minority government till we have another election in the autumn. Better than dealing with smarmy Clegg whose pathetic number of seats, even when added to Labour's haul, still falls short of a majority!

As to being lower class, I have no problem with that if that's how you define working class. It's just that the expression is really so anachronistic and not often heard outside of old episodes of "Upstairs, Downstairs"(Lol).

I reckon we all got the government we voted for (after all looking back to the 1974 election, despite Ted Heath making a right balls up of his term in office, there were only 4 seats in it between him and Wilson when I would have thought it would be a landslide for Labour!). Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats then went to the country 6 months later and got a small majority. Cameron HAS WON THE MOST SEATS, so get over it. NEW LABOUR ARE DEAD, now we just have to bury them.

I will leave YOU with a thought, NONE of the other parties even came close to the number of seats the Conservatives won, so basically they have the most credible mandate to govern (as a minority) whether you or anyone else likes it or not. The people have effectively told Brown to stuff his party where the sun don't shine, so clearly the Labour Party HAVE lost the trust of the country. Across the nation the Tories needed only 16000 more votes across all of the constituencies to have won an outright majority which is a highly achievable result for the next election. Labour have a mountain to climb, whereas the Tories have a molehill.

"I will leave YOU with a thought"
mahahahaha

let's have it then!! :P

[barcode]

Originally Posted by angus58

No YOU are misinformed. Cameron has every right to form a minority government right NOW if he so wishes. The fact that he is trying for a coalition in order to ensure a majority in the Commons is so that the Tories will be immediately able to push through legislation without having to worry about numbers. Personally I would prefer a minority government till we have another election in the autumn. Better than dealing with smarmy Clegg whose pathetic number of seats, even when added to Labour's haul, still falls short of a majority!

As to being lower class, I have no problem with that if that's how you define working class. It's just that the expression is really so anachronistic and not often heard outside of old episodes of "Upstairs, Downstairs"(Lol).

I reckon we all got the government we voted for (after all looking back to the 1974 election, despite Ted Heath making a right balls up of his term in office, there were only 4 seats in it between him and Wilson when I would have thought it would be a landslide for Labour!). Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats then went to the country 6 months later and got a small majority. Cameron HAS WON THE MOST SEATS, so get over it. NEW LABOUR ARE DEAD, now we just have to bury them.

I will leave YOU with a thought, NONE of the other parties even came close to the number of seats the Conservatives won, so basically they have the most credible mandate to govern (as a minority) whether you or anyone else likes it or not. The people have effectively told Brown to stuff his party where the sun don't shine, so clearly the Labour Party HAVE lost the trust of the country. Across the nation the Tories needed only 16000 more votes across all of the constituencies to have won an outright majority which is a highly achievable result for the next election. Labour have a mountain to climb, whereas the Tories have a molehill.

Nobody has WON the election, hence we have a hung parliament. For a party to win, 326 seats are needed. Lib/Con have made an agreement meaning David Cameron is now an UNELECTED PM, just like Brown.

The majority of the latest batch of Conservative voters are anti-Brown. If Labour get a new leader in time for the next election, I wouldn't be so sure Conservative only have a molehill to climb.

It is Brown's right to form a government first but Lib Dems hold the key due to their number of seats; if they are in talks with Conservative them obviously he cannot do anything.

If Labour had 307 seats and Conservative 258 and David Cameron was 'squatting', would you still hold the same views that you do? Of course not.

[arista]

"It is Brown's right to form a government first but Lib Dems hold the key due to their number of seats; if they are in talks with Conservative them obviously he cannot do anything. "


Brown gave Up his Right
by letting David and Nick go first.
Utter Fact.


Case Closed

[ange7]

Originally Posted by arista

"It is Brown's right to form a government first but Lib Dems hold the key due to their number of seats; if they are in talks with Conservative them obviously he cannot do anything. "


Brown gave Up his Right
by letting David and Nick go first.
Utter Fact.


Case Closed

what case?
If the deal falls through... then what? Gordon! plus the welsh and scot nats... that's what.
You missed his whole point of cameron having a dream run into those elections but still dropping the ball.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ange7

what case?
If the deal falls through... then what? Gordon! plus the welsh and scot nats... that's what.
You missed his whole point of cameron having a dream run into those elections but still dropping the ball.

Tsk tsk, not correct. In order for the Celts to come on board, the Labour Party will have to agree to no spending cuts that affect Scotland, Ireland and Wales which means the whole financial burden would have to fall on the English. Since we heavily subsidise them already there is no way that would be tolerated, particularly as we are also having to support ridiculously increasing numbers of immigrants (both legal and illegal), not all of whom are "contributing positively to the economy" (or anything else) despite what the Labour spin doctors would have us believe. The alternative would be for us English to emigrate in huge numbers to Scotland, Ireland and Wales, and let them house us, feed us and educate us with the money we have sent them over the years, since of course we would all be destitute by then.

However, since such a deal would not be in the national interest, being purely a party political matter to promote the self interest of the Labour Party, this would not happen, as the Labour Gestapo would be unable to justify it to the English.

Happily, instead of that scenario, Cameron will form a minority government (as is his right) whether the Labour gestapo or the impotent LibDems like it or not.

(You can bow to my superior inside knowledge when Cameron moves into No. 10 later this week)

[arista]

Yes he may Fall Out with double Dealing Clegg now.


But Well Corrupt Dead New Labour
are not moving out.


Riots.

[arista]

And Corrupt Brown
has Stopped a Election for the next 2 months.


This Stinks.

[arista]

Sky News
has just found out Conservatives
have just made a Final New Offer to Clegg
letting the Voting system have a Ref....

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he may Fall Out with double Dealing Clegg now.


But Well Corrupt Dead New Labour
are not moving out.


Riots.

After the last election when Blair resigned and handed the leadership to Brown as if it was his to bestow, I remember remarking to my other half that Labour was becoming an unaccountable dictatorship and they would be difficult to remove from power even if they lost, and it sees I am right. They just won't accept they are not wanted, but when has that ever stopped them from doing whatever they want?

Their ideological inspiration comes from communism and we all know how that panned out in Russia with the people in power supposedly there to help the common man, instead helping themselves and becoming tyrants who face down any opposition with muscle.

Labour are now a bunch of arrogant bullies who truly believe they know best for the rest of us whether we agree with them or not, and are determined to impose their will on us.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ange7

lib/lab plus welsh and scot nats plus 1 green = 'bliss'

Only 325 seats! Double Bliss

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by angus58

Only 325 seats! Double Bliss

You need 326...

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Harry!

You need 326...

Yes, I know Harry that is what I am pointing out to our Aussie friend who clearly can't add up

[Harry!]

^

Fine!

Please Cameron please join up with Clegg I am more desperate for them to join up then most people at my age (at my school at least). That would be the perfect relationship for me and as I can not vote due to my age it means more to me for them to join up.

Labour failed the country so why would the Lib Dems want to join up with a bunch of failers? Come on for god sake Clegg you know what the country needs join up with the 'winners' of the election Conservatives.

Please. I do not want Labour in power any more!

[Angus]

Things are looking more promising now that there appears to be a referendum on offer to the LibDems. As you say, Clegg would be mad to team up with Labour, a bunch of losers. Personally, I am still hoping Cameron tells Clegg to ***** off, and then forms a minority government. No more concessions, we didn't vote LibDems in, who in fact got a pathetic share of the vote, actually LOSING seats, so they can go peddle their "right on" ideology elsewhere like they have done UNSUCCESSFULLY for the past several decades.