[newspresenter]

In the last half hour, both Shabby and JJ have expressed a real annoyance to speaking their minds and being attacked for it, Govan point incase being evicted.

In society generally, English people are forever being critisized for speaking up for themsens, so its quite ironic that a lesbian, a black male and a 'foreigner' (under British Crown) feel the same way, because they are the kind of people (gays, non whites and foreigners) the far left support.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone was allowed to be adult, say what they feel without fear of persecution by the far left fascists that rule our society?

When Jade Goody said the words 'shilpa popadom', Jade was crucified by the far left (Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems), for what, speaking. Speaking is a fundamental human right.

Isn't it a shame that the public react negatively when another human being like Shabby shows the fruits of her mind in expressing how she feels.


"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire.

[headaball]

Conservatives are far left?

[GypsyGoth]

I think free speech is cool.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by headaball

Conservatives are far left?

Absolutely, David Cameron supports the UAF, his name is on their website as a sponsor. The Tories have shacked up with the far left Lib dems. The Tories share many platforms with Labour communists like Peter Hain, Peter Mandelson and Jack Straw.

[headaball]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Absolutely, David Cameron supports the UAF, his name is on their website as a sponsor. The Tories have shacked up with the far left Lib dems. The Tories share many platforms with Labour communists like Peter Hain, Peter Mandelson and Jack Straw.

So anyone who opposes fascism is on the far left?

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by headaball

So anyone who opposes fascism is on the far left?

There is such a thing as far left fascism, like not giving us a vote on being in the EU or the war. In fact, its rather fascist to invade foreign countries illegally. Organising mass immigration is political fascism, its ignorance of those who were here while it happens.

You can atribute fascism to any political cause, organisation or belief system. Like christianity, if you don't believe, you 'sin', thats fascism.

[cazzy555]

Free speech is a great thing, however so many people use this as an excuse to say hurtful things to other people in the guise of "I just speak my mind". I think it was meant as a way to prevent discrimation of people with differing views not an excuse for a rant about how much you hate others.

[headaball]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

There is such a thing as far left fascism, like not giving us a vote on being in the EU or the war. In fact, its rather fascist to invade foreign countries illegally. Organising mass immigration is political fascism, its ignorance of those who were here while it happens.

You can atribute fascism to any political cause, organisation or belief system. Like christianity, if you don't believe, you 'sin', thats fascism.

I never asked for the beginners guide to politics. I want to know how on earth you could consider the Conservatives politics as far left. That's something the BNP would come out with.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

In the last half hour, both Shabby and JJ have expressed a real annoyance to speaking their minds and being attacked for it, Govan point incase being evicted.

In society generally, English people are forever being critisized for speaking up for themsens, so its quite ironic that a lesbian, a black male and a 'foreigner' (under British Crown) feel the same way, because they are the kind of people (gays, non whites and foreigners) the far left support.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone was allowed to be adult, say what they feel without fear of persecution by the far left fascists that rule our society?

When Jade Goody said the words 'shilpa popadom', Jade was crucified by the far left (Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems), for what, speaking. Speaking is a fundamental human right.

Isn't it a shame that the public react negatively when another human being like Shabby shows the fruits of her mind in expressing how she feels.


"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire.

Yeah, because Scabby, JJ and Govan are such tolerant, accepting human beings aren't they? They embrace difference and don't mock it, they don't judge people on their accents, their backgrounds, their food fads, their religious beliefs etc, eh? They don't bitch, and scheme and ridicule people for being different do they?

Such bloody hypocrites! THEY want acceptance and tolerance?! Well you will get back what you dish out in this world, so if they don't want people judging them on their behaviour they better start looking long and hard at themselves.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think free speech is cool.

Just tell yourself that the next time someone slags you off to your face, especially if its unjustified, because after all it is "free speech", so smile sweetly and just accept it.

Same with the BNP and terrorist organisations in this country - let them have free reign to spread their poison and incite others to hatred, violence and intolerance because, hey, FREE SPEECH is great isn't it

[LaFloss666]

I'd rather someone blow up in my face than being too terrified to say anything. How on Earth can you sat free speech is bad, if you were told what you can and cannot say, you would moan that we are living under dictatorship!

And yeah, BNP have been real successful- almost everyone in England with an interest in Politics hates them! I've met 3 BNP voters- 2 are genuinely racist and the other was my sister and that was as a protest vote because she currently resides in Buckinghamshire where the speaker is MP, so there are no candidates for the main parties.

Tories are still right wing, however more centred they are these days, but whilst Mr William Hague (who I love!!) is deputy Conservative leader and Foreign Secretary, the Tories will most definately not be left wing.

[LaFloss666]

*say

[JustSkipIt]

Spreading hate and intolerance isn't acceptable - I think we would all agree with that.

However, as the OP stated, the same rules should apply to everyone - not just minority groups. I believe unfairness riles people, and is ultimately counter-productive.

[carpercarper]

Leaving in disgust.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by cazzy555

Free speech is a great thing, however so many people use this as an excuse to say hurtful things to other people in the guise of "I just speak my mind". I think it was meant as a way to prevent discrimation of people with differing views not an excuse for a rant about how much you hate others.

Saying hurtfull things intentionally, is bad, but how do you prove someone does that?

Saying hurtful things when the intention is to give an honest opinion/prove a point/explain a situation/, isn't a bad thing.

If HM 'X' gave an opinion of HM 'Y', and HM Y cried, its no one's fault, its just unfortunate. HM X shouldn't be put in the situation where they feel scared to speak, and this is how our society opperates, we vote for it in the millions.

[carpercarper]

Originally Posted by headaball

So anyone who opposes fascism is on the far left?

Wouldn't you say the left is pretty fascist in itself?

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yeah, because Scabby, JJ and Govan are such tolerant, accepting human beings aren't they? They embrace difference and don't mock it, they don't judge people on their accents, their backgrounds, their food fads, their religious beliefs etc, eh? They don't bitch, and scheme and ridicule people for being different do they?

Such bloody hypocrites! THEY want acceptance and tolerance?! Well you will get back what you dish out in this world, so if they don't want people judging them on their behaviour they better start looking long and hard at themselves.

BB is a game show, not real life. You have to admire those in the house who want to be themselves as much as possible.

[carpercarper]

Leaving in disgust.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by angus58

Just tell yourself that the next time someone slags you off to your face, especially if its unjustified, because after all it is "free speech", so smile sweetly and just accept it.

Same with the BNP and terrorist organisations in this country - let them have free reign to spread their poison and incite others to hatred, violence and intolerance because, hey, FREE SPEECH is great isn't it

Why didn't you mention those (Labour, Conservatives etc) who hate Iraqi's and Afghanistanis via the war? How is organising the murder of 1 million innocent people not hatred.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by LaFloss666

Tories are still right wing

Why does their leader support the UAF then?
Why don't they want the British to rule themselves?
Why do they agree with mass immigration if they're 'right wing'?
Why do they advocate left wing politics such as 'global warming'?

[stoney]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

In the last half hour, both Shabby and JJ have expressed a real annoyance to speaking their minds and being attacked for it, Govan point incase being evicted.

In society generally, English people are forever being critisized for speaking up for themsens, so its quite ironic that a lesbian, a black male and a 'foreigner' (under British Crown) feel the same way, because they are the kind of people (gays, non whites and foreigners) the far left support.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone was allowed to be adult, say what they feel without fear of persecution by the far left fascists that rule our society?

When Jade Goody said the words 'shilpa popadom', Jade was crucified by the far left (Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems), for what, speaking. Speaking is a fundamental human right.

Isn't it a shame that the public react negatively when another human being like Shabby shows the fruits of her mind in expressing how she feels.


"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire.

its just a pity tho that Shabby only wants fredom of speech for herself tho.

When she and ben were falling out he was not allowed, by her, to give his side of things as she just rante dat him and wouldn't permit him to speak as she wasn't in the nood for him talking

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by carpercarper

The OP is p issing in the wind if he thinks society actually cares about freedom. They're too stupid and sheep like to even give a damn about basic civil rights.

True, but as a Freeman of English land i feel the need to bang my head

[stoney]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yeah, because Scabby, JJ and Govan are such tolerant, accepting human beings aren't they? They embrace difference and don't mock it, they don't judge people on their accents, their backgrounds, their food fads, their religious beliefs etc, eh? They don't bitch, and scheme and ridicule people for being different do they?

Such bloody hypocrites! THEY want acceptance and tolerance?! Well you will get back what you dish out in this world, so if they don't want people judging them on their behaviour they better start looking long and hard at themselves.

couldnt have put it better meself.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by angus58

Just tell yourself that the next time someone slags you off to your face, especially if its unjustified, because after all it is "free speech", so smile sweetly and just accept it.

Same with the BNP and terrorist organisations in this country - let them have free reign to spread their poison and incite others to hatred, violence and intolerance because, hey, FREE SPEECH is great isn't it

I don't live in some tower removed from the world you know. I have been slagged off to my face.

I just don't think banning things sloves anything, after you have forbidden people saying rude things to you, and outlawed crazy organisations saying rubbish.

What will you do next; burn books you disagree with?

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by carpercarper

Whilst I agree with your thinking, you're wasting your time. People are a lost cause and don't care ab out civil liberties. Go to any forum and see people say ''you should be banned'' or ''get trolls out'' etc. They don't even believe in freedom on a basic scale such as an online message board let alone in real life.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with them. They are too f ucking stupid to be educated and decades of PC brainwashing has worked. I am disgusted with my ''peers'', they are disgraceful.

Men who fought and died in the 2 previous world wars thought they were preserving freedom. They were conned and basically their efforts have been spat on by today's world. If another world war broke out I'd rather emigrate than defend this pathetic country and the sheep who occupy it!

Those people who do that are fascist trolls themselves, maybe they expose themselves. They're the kind of people who belong to the Labour funded UAF, have Common Purpose influenced, the idea is to dub down society.

Its down to people who own website forums to make a stand against far left fascism, and create more freedom in society.

All major wars over the last 300 years were influenced/organised by the Rothschild family. Even Adolf 'Hitler' was a Rothschild. Nazism was created by Albert Pike, a Freemason from America, Freemasonry being the cult the Rothschild, Warburg's and Rockerfeller families (Bilderberg Group) are heavily involved in.

The current war - money.