[Angus]

Originally Posted by luminoussun

Just one thing...nathan fancied racheal and is with her now...so why did'nt he ever stand up to crab eyes in the house every time he attacked her?

Why didn't any of the others? Simple really, they had all only just met, no-one had a clue about the other HMs, and Rachael was literally only there one week. Why should Nathan, in particular, have leapt to her defence at that point - they were virtual strangers.

I am absolutely gobsmacked that JJ1 has not had his head seriously felt before, but then I doubt he would DARE to come out with some of the sh*t he does to people in the outside world where he doesn't have the protection of the BB house.

I guarantee he'll have more than just Nathan to contend with once he's out - karma sure is a bitch.

[Shardlake]

Originally Posted by Julesuk

Well then he should butt out about it now.

Well they are in a relationship now, so it is his place

If a grown man is standing there ripping shreds verbally out of your gf you are going to be fuming, any man would be the same

How you can try and justify the way he spoke to Rachel is beyond me, as a man you just plain and simply do not speak to a woman like that, he should have either gritted his teeth or walked out.

The funny thing is if he knew at the time that her bf was standing behind the glass he would have been really nice to her the man is a coward of the highest degree

She started being nice to him, he started the bitching, an absolute wanker. I bet his mother is even ashamed of him.

[luminoussun]

Originally Posted by angus58

Why didn't any of the others? Simple really, they had all only just met, no-one had a clue about the other HMs, and Rachael was literally only there one week. Why should Nathan, in particular, have leapt to her defence at that point - they were virtual strangers.

I am absolutely gobsmacked that JJ1 has not had his head seriously felt before, but then I doubt he would DARE to come out with some of the sh*t he does to people in the outside world where he doesn't have the protection of the BB house.

I guarantee he'll have more than just Nathan to contend with once he's out - karma sure is a bitch.

I would not need to know a woman at all to defend her being bullied by some loud mouthed twat...it's called being a gentleman...maybe he would of stayed if he had defended her ...instead of popping at shabby

[sosadbbend]

BB are completely out of order for letting that happen, intimidation at the least. Nathan's (the caveman) actions are obviously no surprise, what about Rachael in all this. She knew Nathan was watching and was up for the argument.

[Shardlake]

Originally Posted by sosadbbend

BB are completely out of order for letting that happen, intimidation at the least. Nathan's (the caveman) actions are obviously no surprise, what about Rachael in all this. She knew Nathan was watching and was up for the argument.

Nobody made John James act the way he did except John James

He could have been nice to her even pretended to be civil, but he just chose to rip bits out of her and make her feel like **** when there was no need for it

If anything it just showed John James up for what he really is, let that be a warning to any women out there who might bump into him in a club over the next few months

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Tbf though, coming from a Rachael fan like myself I have to say that she was just as bad wanting an argument.

But despite what he said that's no reason for Nathan to be threatening to hurt John James.



Agree completely.

So who's being bias she had every right to defend herself.

[luminoussun]

look he is going on friday why kiss his ass now...bb are just getting every ounce of tv out of crab eyes....he has given them a headache this year and the way he speaks to bb is disrespectful

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by bobnot

if thats how you feel why have you been posting on nathans facebook wall telling him you want him to go into the house and kick off and cause another fight night?

Two face some people. Very sad if that is the case. Very very sad!

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by Patrick

That would be different you see.

If that were to happen it would mean the producers were there to look after them along with the housemates to interfere.

Nathan threatened John which SCARED HIM INTO LEAVING which isn't fair and if Nathan were to attack John outside the house no one could help because the producers aren't there.

Plus Bobnot, I never thought how frightened John would get over this hours ago when I posted that.

That is a poor poor excuse. You are crying and wailing about how John is being treated and having a go about what nathan said to John when earlier you went online and asked him to cause a fight. Have a word with yourself please because you are a hypocrite.

'I never thought how frightened John would get over this hours ago.' So that makes it alright what you said because you never thought? For your information i don't like how John behaved in the house on some occasions but I would never go on someones page and instruct them to cause a fight and then chastise them for doing what I asked.

Unbelievable!!

[sosadbbend]

Originally Posted by Shardlake

Nobody made John James act the way he did except John James

He could have been nice to her even pretended to be civil, but he just chose to rip bits out of her and make her feel like **** when there was no need for it

If anything it just showed John James up for what he really is, let that be a warning to any women out there who might bump into him in a club over the next few months

I think she gave as good as she got! She just wanted the airtime.

[psychtracker]

To be fair, i think he was only partly stitched up by BB. He did actually have the choice of receiving a massage from Rachael1 or giving a massage to Rachel2. It was also totally unsurprising that Rachael would be involved in a John task, given he's spoken about her on a weekly basis in the 8 weeks or so, since she'd left. The argument was sarcasm on both sides, and i think Rachael handled herself ok. The fact that Nathan was behind the mirror, makes no real difference, because if he wasn't there, he would have been told about it - in detail by Rachael anyways, or seen the footage. It should also be mentioned that, even though Rachael wasn't Nathans GF at the time, i don't recall him ever stepping in - to defend Rachael - over her and John's disagreements. Same again with Corin, when John was taking the piss out of her, i don't recall Nathan ever stepping in and having words to John about his behaviour, in the past. Where was Nathan then?

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by BBBIGBRO

Big brother never told rachel or johnjames what to say to each other did they ?

........

At the end of the day! all the arguments he has our with girls! he has made nearly everyone of the girls in that house cry! this is not good at all and if you approve of that then its disgusting! a man picking on a girl is shameful.

BUT Big Brother would have known that bringing Rachel in would make John James feel uncomfortable. The fact that Nathan was there too acting as a hard man makes the whole situation incredibly wrong. Big Brother cornered John James and scarred him, which he hasn't done to anyone. He haas argued, yes, but not actually made people worry about when they get outside.

He doesn't only have arguments with Girls, and if you look at the arguments they all make sense. Rachel, who expected John James to like her and then started giving him dirty looks when he didn't, she was arrogant. Sunshine was being a martyr, always the victim, John james was annoyed with her, he told her this, so she shouldn't have annoyed him again. Corin had got John James annoyed after all her constant repetitive little phrases. It started off as a joke but corin took such offence that she wouldn't leave the situation she kept coming back, in quite an aggressive way. But no one would ever see that because apparently only John James can be arrogant an aggressive, only a man can be aggressive or arrogant. Bull****. Women can be just as intimidating as men.

[Patricia4]

He's making excuses he's **** scared of a lot of stuff he know's he's going to get some **** when he gets out and he wont be able to cope with it.While in the house he can mouth all he wants but when he get's out its a differnt ball game.
Get the ****** back where you come from.

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by Julesuk

I was disgusted watching that yesterday ok John made a comment which to be honest when he said it, it was you shouldnt come into BB because you want to sell your body to the mags etc etc - BB has been too full of woman/men who now come on the show purely to get there faces in the lads mags we have them every year and I agree with him this is why the show has gone down hill weve lost the general joe public who just want the experience - John I think is one of those that has been pretty true to himself (love or hate him) he doesnt need the deals its not the reason his gone in there, the crab costume he eventually got his head round as for Corin why doesnt she pick on Sam the way she does on John? The massage with Rachel you could tell by her face on live feed she was wound up and was not going to give John any slack - then the icing on the cake was Corin and Nathans meal BB should have pulled him out of that room the minute he went into his deludge of insults towards John James, and I think he will have apop at him because he is that type and he will think it will give him some clout - I was disgusted and then sweet poor corin came in and said what she did after saying to nathan she would say nothing about him and Rachel being an item she couldnt wait - she loved every minute of. All she has done is confirm what he thought that she had not been her true self during the show. As far as I am concerned BB was inciting violence and I hope they view things and cut ties from Nathan and Rachel - I know John James dishes it out but why should he not have his views and as someone said when John said this back in week 2 Nathan did not stick up for Rachel well not in front of John.

Actually he did stand up to Rachel. He let John know that he was not happy with the way he treated the girls. That is why they never got on in the end. John even mentioned it yesterday when he was talking about Nathan possibly being one of the hms coming in.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

BUT Big Brother would have known that bringing Rachel in would make John James feel uncomfortable.

He was given the choice of - receiving a massage from Rachael1 or giving a massage to Rachel2 (I know what i'd choose, if i'd been badmouthing one of them on national TV for 8 weeks!).

[walter]

i'm confused. you on about that annoying rachael and nathan that were on bb? whats happened.

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by angus58

Why didn't any of the others? Simple really, they had all only just met, no-one had a clue about the other HMs, and Rachael was literally only there one week. Why should Nathan, in particular, have leapt to her defence at that point - they were virtual strangers.

I am absolutely gobsmacked that JJ1 has not had his head seriously felt before, but then I doubt he would DARE to come out with some of the sh*t he does to people in the outside world where he doesn't have the protection of the BB house.

I guarantee he'll have more than just Nathan to contend with once he's out - karma sure is a bitch.

Nathan, Govan, Corin and Josie all told him he was wrong behaving the way he does towards Rachael.

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

He was given the choice - of receiving a massage from Rachael1 or giving a massage to Rachel2.

That is what I said in another post but you see he picked her to give her some sh*t to make her look small but it backed fired.

[walter]

are rachael and nathan together?

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

He was given the choice - of receiving a massage from Rachael1 or giving a massage to Rachel2 (I know what i'd choose, if i'd been badmouthing one of them on national TV for 8 weeks!).

OK but he found Rachel 2 irritating. You know that he might have actually intended to apologise to her, but with her insulting him while she was there that made him change his mind.

When the arguments with her first happened he did feel bad, and he has expressed that he wants to apologise so maybe her arrogance was what stopped him from saying sorry when she was there.

[dannythehoofe]

To be fair, this whole argument is pointless. If Nathan really did say what you claim it hasn't done any harm to John James, seeing as he is still in the house (Surprise, Surprise)

He is so desperate to win that no fool from Manchester is going to make him quit, especially after the amount of times he has claimed he wanted to walk...

But I ask this... Why do you find it appalling for Nathan to allegedly make John James feel so worried that he must leave the show but totally acceptable for John James to tell Corin that she can either wear no makeup or leave?

Double standards? I think so... And I am not having a go at one person in particular, just anyone who is a fan of JJ1. Because, once again, it is only bad when it happens to John James...

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

OK but he found Rachel 2 irritating. You know that he might have actually intended to apologise to her, but with her insulting him while she was there that made him change his mind.

When the arguments with her first happened he did feel bad, and he has expressed that he wants to apologise so maybe her arrogance was what stopped him from saying sorry when she was there.

I'm a bit confused...too many Rachels...

Either ways, i was just making the point that he wasn't completely stitched up by the producers, and could have chosen Rachel2. Rightly or wrongly, he chose the hard route.

[rosieb]

Ah John James feel so sorry for him the poor little bitty scaredy cat!!!! John James intimadates, bullies, argues and ridicules all those he takes a dislike to on sight without any reason and without even getting to know them - mainly women - he gets one whiff of Nathan/public not liking his attitude and he runs scared screaming the "BB stitched me up" theory. As with all bullies when confronted by someone who doesn't tolerate their behaviour they run a mile with their tails between their legs and proper order too its about time he was made to account for his behaviour ............. so run John James run - you pathetic person - no one gives a damn!!

[Julesuk]

Originally Posted by sosadbbend

BB are completely out of order for letting that happen, intimidation at the least. Nathan's (the caveman) actions are obviously no surprise, what about Rachael in all this. She knew Nathan was watching and was up for the argument.

She knew exactly what she was doing and I watched most of it and John went in there with the purpose of trying to be nice, she popped at him straight away and the looks she was giving him, she was giving it the large one knowing Nathan was watching, shame on the producers I think they have targeted John throughout this BB with the tasks 90% of them have been negative towards him but yesterday was a right hatchet job. By the way Rachel looked an absolute mess.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Julesuk

She knew exactly what she was doing and I watched most of it and John went in there with the purpose of trying to be nice, she popped at him straight away and the looks she was giving him, she was giving it the large one knowing Nathan was watching, shame on the producers I think they have targeted John throughout this BB with the tasks 90% of them have been negative towards him but yesterday was a right hatchet job. By the way Rachel looked an absolute mess.

I watched it too, and thought they were both equal on how badly they treated and niggled each other. Even John himself said on reflection, that he didn't recall who kicked off the nastiness. They BOTH had attitudes and resentments toward each other, regardless of who was behind the mirror.