[arista]

The SNP are King.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...ction_Success_


The Pathetic Scottish Labour Scotland
tried to copy all the SNP policy.



Yes Toffee Nosed Ed
you got it wrong.


You gained in Wales but not total control
who cares.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by arista

The SNP are King.


The Pathetic Scottish Labour Scotland
tried to copy all the SNP policy.



Yes Toffee Nosed Ed
you got it wrong.


You gained in Wales
who cares.

I care because I live in Wales

Labour won in my area anyway, they always do.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

.... and the lib dems came last here lol

[arista]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

I care because I live in Wales

Labour won in my area anyway, they always do.

OK apart from you.


And No to AV
looks like a Win.

[joeysteele]

I would have voted for the SNP in Scotland if I had lived there, I think they have done good things since taking over in 2007.
It's clear the Lib Dem votes have near disintegrated there and that their votes have gone to the SNP.

I can see the Scottish voters logic in doing that, they have their own Govt in a fashion in Scotland and the UK has aConservative/Lib Dem non-mandated coalition govt as a whole. Had I been a voter in Scotland I would have felt the SNP would be more likely to win much more as to more power against the overall UK govt than Labour could since Labour is not the Govt.

All the Scottish govts policy making and law making rights came from Labour when in Govt, now they need a party and a Leader to take on this Westminster govt.

Largely, the SNP has succeeded because it has done well in the last 4 years and also it has capitalised on the Lib Dem meltdown there.

In a General Election, the Scottish voters overall will likely again as they did before turn back to Labour there, but with Labour in opposition in the UK and a Tory led coalition supported by a party now supporting total opposite policies it placed to the voters in 2010, I think the Scots have made a good decision.Alex Salmond is seen as a good strong leader there now.IN the Govt of Holyrood anyway.

Sadly, it would seem if the SNP get overall control that they will then hold another expensive referendum in Scotland as to Independence, if that hapens I hope the Scots vote against it but one thing is clear from looking back, the Scots now seem to be fed up of getting imposed on them Govts in the UK they neither want or supported.

Labour needs to realise that and the Lib Dems should today be hanging their heads in complete shame at their betrayal of their Scots voters too as well as Welsh and English voters.
The Cobservatives are ,it appears, much where they were in Scotland and in truth that's virtually them being irrelevant there.

[BB_Eye]

I like the SNP, but not happy about this. Having said that, Labour have only themselves to blame.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I like the SNP, but not happy about this. Having said that, Labour have only themselves to blame.

They do indeed,but I do think Alex Salmond and the SNP have done really well as a Govt. there.
Labour would have no influence with the Tory led coalition in the UK, the threat of an independence vote could really work for the SNP to get even more concessions from the UK govt.

[karezza]

The Labour Party has no future in England or Scotland. When Scotland gains independence they Labour will be finished.

Good riddance to the hated Labour Party.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They do indeed,but I do think Alex Salmond and the SNP have done really well as a Govt. there.
Labour would have no influence with the Tory led coalition in the UK, the threat of an independence vote could really work for the SNP to get even more concessions from the UK govt.

I don't actually want Scotland to leave the UK. Britain will be taken less seriously by Europe and the world if the island is divided and it will only serve to fuel tensions in Northern Ireland. Plus England will be left at the mercy of the Conservative Party. I don't trust voters in England alone to do anything to stop their agenda.

I understand Scotland's frustrations over the fact that Westminster won't grant them independence out of almost pure self-interest (Tories want to consolidate the government's power while Labour and LD need Scotland's votes), but I don't see why the current situation is such an unreasonable compromise.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by karezza

The Labour Party has no future in England or Scotland. When Scotland gains independence they Labour will be finished.

Good riddance to the hated Labour Party.

I personally don't think the Scottish Nation would support full independence in a referendum but anyway as Sovereign head the UK parliament would have to approve a referendum decision on independence of one of its constituent states.

So Alex Salmond could put through a referendum policy and if passed in the Scottish Parliament and held it would then have to be approved by the whole UK parliament at Westminster and with all parties still in the main Unionist,that would likely be voted down.

Yo are right in, that without the Scots, Labour would find it impossible to get an overall maujority in an election.
Scotland when Labour's back is against the wall,always comes to its rescue,especially in full UK elections.

[arista]

Yes Labour is Full of Scottish MP's


And Up there Labour can Get Fecked

[Judas]

Originally Posted by arista

The SNP are King.
Yes Toffee Nosed Ed
you got it wrong.

These bizarre insults now aren't the same now you're a 20 year old :'(

[arista]

Originally Posted by Judas

These bizarre insults (

Judas
this is Not about Me.





This is Stinking Rotten Labour
Kicked out of Scotland Again


Utter Bliss

[arista]

King Alex
arrives by Helicopter
in Edinburgh. (Live On SkyNewsHD)

Labour can Feck Off
(even though Labour is full of Scottish MPs)


SNP Rule Scotland.

+23 New seats


Feel The Force.

[arista]

Ch4 News just Confirmed
King Alex will phone UK PM David tonight.


Thats the Way Alex

Labour can FECK OFFF

[Lee.]

I am so thrilled for Alex Salmond and the SNP today!

Well done Scotland!

[arista]

Originally Posted by happyland

I am so thrilled for Alex Salmond and the SNP today!

Well done Scotland!

Yes and he is Clever
Getting to Phone Our PM David this evening.


David will work with King Alex



Labour Is Dead.

[Harry!]

Ed Miliband actully gets on my nerves.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Harry!

Ed Miliband actully gets on my nerves.

Thats due to his Voice
he is due to go to hospital to get it Fixed.


But anyway he is the Loser of Scotland.

[joeysteele]

It's a great result for Alex Salmond and the SNP,had I lived in Scotland I would have voted SNP this time.

However, the SNP are on 45% of the vote because the Lib Dem vote was decimated,all of those votes went to the SNP.
In the Scottish parliament elections it made sense to back the SNP, Labour are not in Govt in Westminster so the SNP will be more formidable for Cameron to have to deal with.

In a General election however, those Lib Dem votes which don't return to the Lib Dems, are more likely to switch to Labour for a Westminster election. Labour's vote stayed the same as it was in 2007,only the Lib Dem votes were wiped away,they were the losers and the casualties in Scotland, they had been the unofficial supporters for the minority SNP govt from 2003,they are left now with few seats, a massive loss of votes and no influence whatsoever now.

Personally for me, Annabel Goldie fought a great campaign but the Conservatives are without meaning in Scotland still.
For an alternative now to the SNP in Scotland, when the time comes for that,there is only one acceptable to most Scots and that is Labour so we are premature in writing them off there, Iain Gray was a poor leader and Alex Salmond is a brilliant one.

Thanks to the Lib Dems vote imploding the SNP have got the bigger prize, but Labour lost not a single 1% in their vote from 2007.Plenty there still to build on.

[karezza]

Alex Salmond does not look well - too much Scottish beef & whiskey.

Remember what happened to John Smith.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by karezza

Alex Salmond does not look well - too much Scottish beef & whiskey.

Remember what happened to John Smith.

I really enjoyed seeing Alex Salmond yesterday,even trying to not seem too jubilant he still looked like the cat that got all the cream.

He has served the Scots well in his 4 years as First Minister,this is now though a big test for him and he will be aware that this time the voters leaving the Lib Dems have given him an opportunity,but it's not a solid SNP vote past something like 35% that he has in reality. He got no Labour votes,it was the total collapse of the Lib Dem votes going to him that let the SNP overtake Labour in some of their seats.
It likely is not a permanent move to the SNP from the former Lib Dem voters.

However,thanks karezza,you have helped me choose my reading matter today,I can't recall John Smith,found a book and reading up about him today though,politics fascinates me.

[karezza]

The Scots don't like Millibland because he isn't Scottish. Labour are not popular in Scotland when they don't have a Scottish leader.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by karezza

The Scots don't like Millibland because he isn't Scottish. Labour are not popular in Scotland when they don't have a Scottish leader.

Wrong. Scotland have finally realised that it's actually pointless voting for Labour. Not for the first time, Scotland returned a Labour majority at the last General Election, only to end up once again being ruled by a Tory.

I can assure you, it is nothing to do with Milliband not being Scottish!

Alex Salmond has been a fantastic First Minister and I think gradually people have started to see how good for and how passionate he is about Scotland and making her a better place to live!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by happyland

Wrong. Scotland have finally realised that it's actually pointless voting for Labour. Not for the first time, Scotland returned a Labour majority at the last General Election, only to end up once again being ruled by a Tory.

I can assure you, it is nothing to do with Milliband not being Scottish!

Alex Salmond has been a fantastic First Minister and I think gradually people have started to see how good for and how passionate he is about Scotland and making her a better place to live!

You are right happyland, I was looking back online at Labours record in Scotland,obviously only part of it all but overall Labour hasn't done for Scotland all it should have.
I adore Scotland and the Scots,Love the Country and the people, I think this was a wise move from the voters to set Alex Salmond against the Cameron led govt at Westminster.
You are also correct when you say it has nothing to do with Miliband not being Scottish.

The Conservatives it seems lost Scotland completely when they used it as a guinea pig for its more extreme policies, such as the poll tax was it. That was in Kinnocks time and Scotland backed Labour strongly in those elections at that time.
They,the Conservatives, also ravaged the natural resources from Scotland too,such as oil revenue to cover up financial problems and avoid recessions in the rest of the UK,that's why the Conservatives will likely never win back greatly in Scotland.

The Lib Dems gained in stature in Scotland after that too but have now also betrayed the trust the Scots put in them at the last election.They have paid part of the price for that on Thursday and it was sensible for the voters to decide to move to and firstly reward Alex Salmond for his great work of the last 4 years and to give him a 2nd term.

I hope my quick assessment of a bit of political history is accurate but I do believe that the Labour party can get another chance, but as you said happyland, it needs to deliver by getting into govt and then doing right in govt for Scotland.

I don't believe a majority of Scots want full independence, well not yet anyway, but it will come if UK govts fail to stop using Scotland as guinea pigs for untried polices and start to afford to the Scots the respect it warrants as a great Nation itself.

Reading back it seems Wilson, Callaghan, Kinnock and Blair all who weren't Scottish by birth were all popular in Scotland and were supported strongly by Scots overall in elections.