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Originally Posted by happyland

It's called Desiderata and it was written by Max Herman in the 20s. Hippies in the 70s made it popular and used to hand it out in posters form. I have it framed in ny hall and read it almost every day.

Awesome! That's cool that you have it framed, I really like it, it sums up my moral compass I suppose haha

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one is special, all will die, all will be forgotten.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Actually, idiotic half-witted 'atheist' websites are a pretty awful place to get your information from.

But let's save time and get to the heart of it:
By what standard do you judge some Jewish Laws as 'awful' and others as 'nice' anyways?
What standard of morality are you using to make those judgments?

How do you know I'm Atheist? Another silly Christian presumption. Morality comes from a more animalistic place. It's deep within. Because let's face it, a book isn't going to tell people what to do. People know the so called morals of the Bible, but how many actually follow them? Apart from the ones who pick and choose

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

How do you know I'm Atheist? Another silly Christian presumption. Morality comes from a more animalistic place. It's deep within. Because let's face it, a book isn't going to tell people what to do. People know the so called morals of the Bible, but how many actually follow them? Apart from the ones who pick and choose

The Celtic people had strong morals before the idiot jesus cult arrived from the middle east.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Celtic people had strong morals before the idiot jesus cult arrived from the middle east.

Yep, Christians seem to think they invented a conscience or something.

[joeysteele]

To the World you may only be one person but to one person you may be the World.

My Grandmother always said that, I don't know where it came from but it's also a nicething to think in life.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by InOne

How do you know I'm Atheist?

I don't but your rhetoric is parroted from silly atheist and antichristian propaganda.

Another silly Christian presumption.

No it isn't.

Morality comes from a more animalistic place.

What do you mean by 'animalistic'?

It's deep within.

That is what the Bible documents and claims for. Judeo-Christian thought (others too) but that it is an inherent moral compass.

Because let's face it, a book isn't going to tell people what to do.

It most definitely does guide people. the foundation of your society based on a book.
But it isn't the 'book telling' anyways. Nobody thought the book itself was a 'person'.

People know the so called morals of the Bible, but how many actually follow them? Apart from the ones who pick and choose

To save time let's get to your 'winking' crap. You saw a website (or a comedian who saw a website) listing laws given to Israelites and then what is (or is not) for Jews and Christians entering the New Covenant.

This lame thing where Ricky Gervais or someone says "They follow the part about no gays but wont choose the ban on Shellfish".

Oh no. It turns out you are ignorant.

But what I'd still like to know is by what authority can you make these moral judgements?
How do I know your 'deep animal' judgment of bible morality is right?
Or better?
You can claim to have superior morals but how would we decide that? By what 'ruler'?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Celtic people had strong morals before the idiot jesus cult arrived from the middle east.

You and the other one mistakenly believe that Christians or Jews believe morality came from the Bible.

Having said that, Celts had moral standards that you would find absolutely horrifying today. You would say are 'Immoral'.

And you also have this question to answer first:
What do you mean by 'strong morals' and this is asking you by what standard do you judge them as 'strong'?
By what 'measure' are you judging their morals as 'strong' or not?

Try and answer that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You and the other one mistakenly believe that Christians or Jews believe morality came from the Bible.

Having said that, Celts had moral standards that you would find absolutely horrifying today. You would say are 'Immoral'.

And you also have this question to answer first:
What do you mean by 'strong morals' and this is asking you by what standard do you judge them as 'strong'?
By what 'measure' are you judging their morals as 'strong' or not?

Try and answer that.

All christians ever bang on about is how their moral code hails from the bible. No one is questioning that Celtic morals are different than today.

Strong as in well defined, based on fairness, family, tribesmanship and survival.

Trócar (modern 'trócaire')
- "Mercy": This comes from 'tróg' + 'car', literally "friendly to pity". Old Celtic 'trógá ' means both "sorrow, grief" and the emotions aroused by seeing this in others. The idea is the ability and willingness to empathize with others. In legal situations it carries the meaning of "leniency". Welsh uses the same word: 'trugaredd'

Fíreoin (ie, Fírén, modern 'fírán')
- "Justice": This is really derived from 'fírue', "truth" and refers to the discerning of the truth in a situation, which results in justice.

Cosmail (modern 'cosúil')
- "Similar, Fitting": The noun is 'cosmailius' (modern 'cosúlacht'). It originally comes from Old Celtic 'kom- samalis', which gives the idea of "like goes with like". It doesn't per se mean "impartiality", but the idea is of doing what the situation normally requires, rather than changing the rules.

Cuibsech - "Conscientious, Scrupulous"
: The noun is 'cubus' (modern 'coibhse', which now means "confession, examination of conscience"). The best modern English equivalent might be "responsibility" -- the awareness of one's duties to others.

Fossad (modern 'fosadh')
- "Steadiness, Stability": It literally means "having a seat under oneself". It means consistency and firmness in one's position, not easily swayed by outside opinion (ie, from pursuing the truth).

Eslabra - "Generous, Liberal, Unstinting"
: The noun is 'eslabrae'. Originally from Old Celtic 'ex slabratobis' "out of chains" -- ie, knowing no bounds. The idea is that one doesn't place arbitrary limits on one's generosity and availability.

Gart - "Generosity, Hospitality, Open-Handedness"
: It comes from a root meaning "warm", so its literal meaning is "warmth, friendliness" --acceptance and openness to other people, giving each their due.

Fíalainech
: This is composed of 'fíal' ("faithful, seemly, proper, generous, noble") and 'enech' ("face, honour"). It means essentially "politeness, courteous behaviour".

Sessach (modern 'seasmhach', from 'sessmach')
- "Sturdy, Strong, Steadfast": The noun is 'sessacht' or 'sessmacht'. the idea is someone who stands his ground and is not easily intimidated.

Lessach - "Helpful, Beneficent"
: This comes from the noun 'les' (modern 'leas') which means "(someone's) good", and also refers to the verb 'lessad' (modern stem 'leasaigh') 'to remedy". The idea is to seek actively to help other people.

Étir (modern 'féidir', as in 'is féidir liom' "I can")
- "Power, Ability": A modern English equivalent might be "competence".

Iondraic (modern 'ionraic')
- "Honest, Trustworthy": The noun is 'iondracus'(modern 'ionracas'). In a legal context it refer to a witness whose testimony can be believed.

Soithnge - "Eloquent"
: Originally 'so + tengae', literally "good with tongue" . The noun is 'soithnges'. This refers, of course, to the Celtic emphasis on the mastery of good language.

Forusta (modern 'forasta')
- "Well-Grounded, Sedate, Composed": The noun is 'forus' (modern 'foras') which originally means "established base". The idea is "calm, composed" -- also "sensible".

Fírbrethach - "Giving Correct Judgment"
: Self-explanatory from 'fír' "true" and 'breth' "judgment" -- ie, not allowing one's personal bias to interfere with the determination of right and wrong.

http://www.fhaoil-choin.org/virtues.htm

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All christians ever bang on about is how their moral code hails from the bible.

No they don't.
The very premise is that Adam and Eve are created with inherent morality.
They are actually aware of 'right and wrong' from the beginning. This compass is 'damaged' however it is understood they and their children (till today) have inherent moral compass.

This is discussed again in the New Testament (the conscience etc).

So you were 'debunking' your own misunderstanding. Score zero for you on that one.

No one is questioning that Celtic morals are different than today.

Okay then.

Strong as in well defined, based on fairness, family, tribesmanship and survival.

I think you might be taking this literally. I wonder if you are saying 'Good' or 'Right' morality?
I'm asking you to step back a bit and try and decide why it is 'morally right' or 'good'?

As an example:

Lessach - "Helpful, Beneficent"
: This comes from the noun 'les' (modern 'leas') which means "(someone's) good", and also refers to the verb 'lessad' (modern stem 'leasaigh') 'to remedy". The idea is to seek actively to help other people.

Why should that be considered 'morally good' to do? What if someone says the tears of strangers are water?
That they are receiving the rewards (or punishments) from their previous life.
To interfere is to only keep them from their Karma and lesson?

But suppose next week a lot of your neighbours show up at the door. You know that nice young lady. Quite pretty. Best friend.
They abduct her..
...you try and stop them but.. they hold you down. Even the police are helping them!
In the middle of the street they strip her down, put a costume on her and douse her in gasoline.
Her mother is wailing and terrified. Her father is.. helping douse her. She is screaming.
To your horror they dance around her as she screams, they have tied her cat and dog and thrown them to her.. dousing them in gasoline too,
and,
to your horror a match is thrown on them.. horrifying.. the cat and dog burn and squeal and she is dying slowly..
..the neighbours are chanting and HAPPY!
You can't stop them! Watching helpless.
The Celts are ashamed of you. You immoral person. For everyone knows it is GOOD for the community to do this. You say it is 'morally wrong'?
Why?