[Shaun]

Yes, leave the poor woman alone by tweeting "who the **** cares" and "Norway >"

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Zee

No, I am not "start that car" - it is quite obviously far more shocking that a man disguised himself as a police officer and killed 80+ teenagers in cold blood than the death of somebody who struggled with addiction for at least four years in the public eye. People are quite obviously entitled to be interested in the death of a celebrity, but my point was that she's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it. Leave the poor woman alone, I guess that's my thought on the matter ultimately.

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What do you mean leave the poor woman alone? You don't think it's right that people are paying respect to the art she has left behind? I don't really understand any of that. What does it matter how out of her face she was recently or how much material she has had recently? Her death would be worth more if she had a new LP? Give her a chance to compete with those crafty Norway strangers your heart goes out to?

Are we really getting this banal about it? Bloody Nora. I'll leave this one until the morning because I'm getting merry now and I don't want to compromise my own arguments nor yours by offering up substandard responses but ... Jesus.

Honestly you sound way out of your element.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Stu

''...take it to PM''.

LOL she'll whip that one out after she's had all her fun arguing.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yes, leave the poor woman alone by tweeting "who the **** cares" and "Norway >"

Yeah what I actually said was "seriously though, who cares? She spent half a decade being drunk/on drugs and not making music. RIP and all but jesus, Norway >"

I take no issue with people paying respects to her, I'm not a fan of her music but I respect that other people are, as I said in my first post in this thread, it's the stuff I'm reading on my social networking feeds that's pissing me off - she died, it's sad but it's not a shock?!

[tmi]

Tbh in the last few days people have lost lives whether they had them taken away or they took themselves. People lose loved ones all the time and it isnt in the press. Whether the plight in Norway or Amy Winehouse is one person death more important than another, the answer is No. They are all lost lives and my heart goes to all the familes concerned.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

I'm not angry at all. Frustrated I guess that I have to respond to such an absurd point, hence the high volume of question marks and exclamation marks. Two friends whom you know very well.

Why are you responding to this post and not the argument I gave you? Why are you responding to my posting style and not my posts?

''If you want to go down that route, take it to PM''.

oh I understand your frustration - that comes over loud and clear.

It's a shame you seem to have taken it so very personally. I'm asking quite simply why you seem unable to debate without seeming so angry? It's a reasonable question - and asked deliberately before it gets out of hand as these things can often do, especially when people are equally passionate but on opposite sides of the fence.

who says anything about 'the argument I gave you' . You're arguing, not me. I'm putting over my thoughts and views.

My view is that as far as AW's addictions are concerned, she was 27 - she had had limited amount of years dabbling in A class drugs, and I strongly believe that if she wanted to get clean - she would have done so. I don't belive for one second that she gave a damn whether drugs killed her or not - her mind was set on one course of action.

[tmi]

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zee

What's the need for being patronising?

Originally Posted by Stu

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What do you mean leave the poor woman alone? You don't think it's right that people are paying respect to the art she has left behind? I don't really understand any of that. What does it matter how out of her face she was recently or how much material she has had recently? Her death would be worth more if she had a new LP? Give her a chance to compete with those crafty Norway strangers your heart goes out to?

Are we really getting this banal about it? Bloody Nora. I'll leave this one until the morning because I'm getting merry now and I don't want to compromise my own arguments nor yours by offering up substandard responses but ... Jesus.

Honestly you sound way out of your element.

Can't you debate without being so supercillious?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by tmi

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

This.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

oh I understand your frustration - that comes over loud and clear.

It's a shame you seem to have taken it so very personally. I'm asking quite simply why you seem unable to debate without seeming so angry? It's a reasonable question - and asked deliberately before it gets out of hand as these things can often do, especially when people are equally passionate but on opposite sides of the fence.

who says anything about 'the argument I gave you' . You're arguing, not me. I'm putting over my thoughts and views.

My view is that as far as AW's addictions are concerned, she was 27 - she had had limited amount of years dabbling in A class drugs, and I strongly believe that if she wanted to get clean - she would have done so. I don't belive for one second that she gave a damn whether drugs killed her or not - her mind was set on one course of action.

If you are that curious about my posting style then ''take it to PM'' instead of tarnishing yet another thread. I'm not in the mood for your B.S. tonight.

Fuck the fuck off.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tmi

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

Of course they are going to concentrate on her drug problem....that is what killed her.

There's another thread on the board for the nice stuff. I hear what you are saying: but this the subject of her life, they way she lived it, together with the way she died, it is going to be a talking point - for good or bad.

[tmi]

Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.

[Shaun]

Sorry Greg, must have misread

I think we all need to calm down

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by tmi

Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.

you can be his new mentor

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Sorry Greg, must have misread

I think we all need to calm down

I agree

[Stu]

Originally Posted by tmi

Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.

It's good that you dropped it then. Your prose drips with far more eloquence now.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Sorry Greg, must have misread

I think we all need to calm down

Indeed... I understand that my blunt attitude towards the news of her death will annoy people who loved her and her music, but it's not about her music, it's about her celebrity status as a drug user - she's not been in the public eye for the past four years for being a musician, it's for being a drug addict, so I think it's completely fair to be blunt about that - it comes down to whether people are sympathetic towards drug addicts or not, and I fall under the latter category having seen people I once loved go through drug addiction despite attempts from the nearest and dearest to stop it from happening.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Stu

It's good that you dropped it then. Your prose drips with far more eloquence now.

My learned friend you learn has you go through life, I used to think the glass was half empty rather than half full Im not patronising honest, Mid is force to be reckoned with, I have been on the receiving end but she is real gem.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Zee

Indeed... I understand that my blunt attitude towards the news of her death will annoy people who loved her and her music, but it's not about her music, it's about her celebrity status as a drug user - she's not been in the public eye for the past four years for being a musician, it's for being a drug addict, so I think it's completely fair to be blunt about that - it comes down to whether people are sympathetic towards drug addicts or not, and I fall under the latter category having seen people I once loved go through drug addiction despite attempts from the nearest and dearest to stop it from happening.

How can you simplify it so easily? It's not just a choice between musician and drug addict. Beneath both those lofty accolades lies a human being and that is who I am siding with.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by tmi

My learned friend you learn has you go through life, I used to think the glass was half empty rather than half full Im not patronising honest, Mid is force to be reckoned with, I have been on the receiving end but she is real gem.

I like curse words. Simple. It's not just anger ... I use them all the time. I'm still better spoken than nine tenths of the members on here and what matters more? I'll pick a cursing, well read person any day of the week. I say that without reservation and with full knowledge of what a pretentious gargoyle it must make me sound like.

I'm an optimist myself. The glass has always been half full over at camp Stu. Not to sound awful because you seem like a nice person but I value proper punctuation and language far more than I do people who refrain from cursing. Your posts aren't exactly a tour de force of the English language. I don't expect them to be but christ. Perspective, please .

[Z]

Originally Posted by Stu

How can you simplify it so easily? It's not just a choice between musician and drug addict. Beneath both those lofty accolades lies a human being and that is who I am siding with.

I can simplify it so easily because she's not a person I know and love on a personal level, she's a celebrity, isn't that what society does with celebrities? We discuss them on a level that's separate from them as human beings - their fans "get to know them" on a personal level (as far as one can do so as a fan without actually knowing them) - but to most people, a celebrity is just a name and a face. That's personally how I can simplify it like that, I understand that others can't, but I can. The thread in Music dedicated to her musical contributions is for discussing her music, IMO, this is for discussing her death and her status as a celebrity addict because the working assumption seems to be that her death was drink/drugs related.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Stu

I like curse words. Simple. It's not just anger ... I use them all the time. I'm still better spoken than nine tenths of the members on here and what matters more? I'll pick a cursing, well read person any day of the week. I say that without reservation and with full knowledge of what a pretentious gargoyle it must make me sound like.

I'm an optimist myself. The glass has always been half full over at camp Stu. Not to sound awful because you seem like a nice person but I value proper punctuation and language far more than I do people who refrain from cursing. Your posts aren't exactly a tour de force of the English language. I don't expect them to be but christ. Perspective, please .

Fair dews then Stu, I will say no more, carrying on cursing.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by tmi

..carrying on cursing.

he will, he will

Carry on cursing at Camp Stu

[Scarlett.]

I wont remember her for her actions over the last four years, I'll remember her for 'Valerie', 'Rehab' and all her other hits, I feel sorry for her, sure she got addicted to drugs, but she was like everyone else in the world, she made bad decisions. This wasnt really helped by her mess of a dad selling stories about her to the tabloids either...

R.I.P Amy

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Zee

I can simplify it so easily because she's not a person I know and love on a personal level, she's a celebrity, isn't that what society does with celebrities? We discuss them on a level that's separate from them as human beings - their fans "get to know them" on a personal level (as far as one can do so as a fan without actually knowing them) - but to most people, a celebrity is just a name and a face. That's personally how I can simplify it like that, I understand that others can't, but I can. The thread in Music dedicated to her musical contributions is for discussing her music, IMO, this is for discussing her death and her status as a celebrity addict because the working assumption seems to be that her death was drink/drugs related.

I think your right about celebs they themselves class themselves has super human at the end of the day, they have to do the same things we do, wash etc. also they will die, my idol was Freddie Mercury and whatever is personal life was like his music remains long after his death, I will remember him for music not his personal life.