[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Then stop throwing anger around.

You overreacted to Niamh's smiley face and now you're doing a dance???

yes she did a smiley face when we were discussing, totally different context. My dance was purely based on me and my right to voice myopinion. anyways lets get back on topic. why do you back yourchosenoption on abortion, do you want it reduced and if so how?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

please try to be open minded.

That works both ways.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

We're not talking about that, though, are we? You either stick to the topic or leave.

I'd have thought it was that obvious. Mind, it's coming from you so none of this surprises me...

yes we are talking about abortion, these are all directly related to the issue. are you threatening to throw me out for stating my opinions and asking questions relating to the topic?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That works both ways.

Im open minded Ive read all your replies and I still cant find clarity in your opinions on the matter. why dont you just te;ll us what you think can be done about abortion? what are you afraid of?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im open minded

No, you clearly are not.

Calling someone sick without discussing the matter is close minded.

As said earlier, mine and other people's opinions were discussed at length in the first 7 pages of the thread. I refer you to those.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im open minded Ive read all your replies and I still cant find clarity in your opinions on the matter. why dont you just te;ll us what you think can be done about abortion? what are you afraid of?

Marsh has already expressed his opinions clearly and concisely, as did everyone else. From yesterday's discussions I would say he is totally unafraid to do so.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

No, you clearly are not.

Calling someone sick without discussing the matter is close minded.

As said earlier, my opinion was discussed at length in the first 7 pages of the thread. I refer you to those.

wrong again. I called the comment sick not the person.

ive discussed it for 2 hours, Ive put forward links, genuins opinions, facts to back it up, also suffered verbal abuse , which youve ignored, been told how to speak and what to say. You on thether hand have provided virtually no contribution to the topic at hand. Ive read loads of articles listen to loads of opinions and made lengthy posts and also asked others for sincere opinions. youre contribution is almost non existent. meanwhile 191000 babies die. how do we reduce that number?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Marsh has already expressed his opinions clearly and concisely, as did everyone else. From yesterday's discussions I would say he is totally unafraid to do so.

No he hasnt. by the way why are you coming and defending another poster? why dont you concern yourself with stating your opinion on the topic itself, perhaps defending the voicelss dead babies is more important than defending marsh?

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by the truth

wrong again. I called the comment sick not the person.

ive discussed it for 2 hours, Ive put forward links, genuins opinions, facts to back it up, also suffered verbal abuse , which youve ignored, been told how to speak and what to say. You on thether hand have provided virtually no contribution to the topic at hand. Ive read loads of articles listen to loads of opinions and made lengthy posts and also asked others for sincere opinions. youre contribution is almost non existent. meanwhile 191000 babies die. how do we reduce that number?

You have thrown insults around, i'm a sick bitch because of one comment and apparently succuming to peer pressure
All you can do is repeat the point about 191,000 babies, What are YOU doing to reduce that number?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

You have thrown insults around, i'm a sick bitch because of one comment and apparently succuming to peer pressure
All you can do is repeat the point about 191,000 babies, What are YOU doing to reduce that number?

challenging the radical opinions that created and support a system that allows 191000 babies to be aborted each year. what are you doing?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im open minded Ive read all your replies and I still cant find clarity in your opinions on the matter. why dont you just te;ll us what you think can be done about abortion? what are you afraid of?

..the thing abortion is an option, which is explored between the pregnant lady and her doctor/clinic..there isn't anything that can be done about that..not unless it's legislated against..so that isn't a question for anyone to answer..just to express whether they feel it's right or wrong...and I haven't seen anyone here say they thought it was right..just that they respect the personal choice of others..

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by the truth

challenging the radical opinions that created and support a system that allows 191000 babies to be aborted each year. what are you doing?

Encouraging people to get more support when they are in the situation, like one of my friends was
can definitely say i culd do more though

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by the truth

No he hasnt. by the way why are you coming and defending another poster? why dont you concern yourself with stating your opinion on the topic itself, perhaps defending the voicelss dead babies is more important than defending marsh?

I actually love the hypocrisy of your posts. It is beyond reason. I neither wish nor need to discuss anything further with you. Goodnight sir.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the thing abortion is an option, which is explored between the pregnant lady and her doctor/clinic..there isn't anything that can be done about that..not unless it's legislated against..so that isn't a question for anyone to answer..just to express whether they feel it's right or wrong...and I haven't seen anyone here say they thought it was right..just that they respect the personal choice of others..

I think legislation is not the only answer, tighter regulation but not just blanket black and white laws. Its more a cultural issue and it needs to be approached from a different point of view. a point of view that offers far far greater support, knowledge and options. also an advocate for the mother and the family. This is a matter of life and death and must demand infinitely more time and attention. We dont really hear in detail the stories of these women, especially those women who regret their abortions. people who even open up the discussion are shouted down disgracefully. as was norreen dorries last year in parliament. The actual conversation itself has been virtually outlawed by radical peer pressure.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

Encouraging people to get more support when they are in the situation, like one of my friends is
can definitely say i culd do more though

Women who are confused and scared or whatever when pregnant and thinking can I do this, can I support the child, etc etc etc etc They should also be made fully aware of the options open to her regarding adoptions and fostering. I dont believe for a minute this is being done consistently and regulated equally across all abortion clinics. This is where the state should come in.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

You have thrown insults around, i'm a sick bitch because of one comment and apparently succuming to peer pressure
All you can do is repeat the point about 191,000 babies, What are YOU doing to reduce that number?

by the way I dodnt call you a sick bitch at all.

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by the truth

Women who are confused and scared or whatever when pregnant and thinking can I do this, can I support the child, etc etc etc etc They should also be made fully aware of the options open to her regarding adoptions and fostering. I dont believe for a minute this is being done consistently and regulated equally across all abortion clinics. This is where the state should come in.

They should be different a wide variety of options, like you said earlier, but then brings up the problem, of if they drag it out looking for different options, then the pregnancy will get longer, and if they have an abortion it will be a late abortion, but then again its still an abortion, and if it makes some people reconsider and have more confidence then its a good thing?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

I think legislation is not the only answer, tighter regulation but not just blanket black and white laws. Its more a cultural issue and it needs to be approached from a different point of view. a point of view that offers far far greater support, knowledge and options. also an advocate for the mother and the family. This is a matter of life and death and must demand infinitely more time and attention. We dont really hear in detail the stories of these women, especially those women who regret their abortions. people who even open up the discussion are shouted down disgracefully. as was norreen dorries last year in parliament. The actual conversation itself has been virtually outlawed by radical peer pressure.

..ok, well those are fair points and put across well..it sounds as though you could possibly consider perhaps training to council some of the women who find themselves faced with seriously considering this choice..if you aren't already...that would be a very constructive thing to do for somegthing you feel so passionately about..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..ok, well those are fair points and put across well..it sounds as though you could possibly consider perhaps training to council some of the women who find themselves faced with seriously considering this choice..if you aren't already...that would be a very constructive thing to do for somegthing you feel so passionately about..

They are good points expressed well as you say.
Why would he want to go into counseling though?...
We are all allowed opinions, just because you offer a reasoned debate, facts and statistics does not mean you wish to counsel in the subject...

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

You have thrown insults around, i'm a sick bitch because of one comment and apparently succuming to peer pressure
All you can do is repeat the point about 191,000 babies, What are YOU doing to reduce that number?

I like this post and agree with every word that your saying.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I know we all have differing opinions, but one thing is certain...
There are no easy options and no right or wrong answers.
The topic has so many, moral, social and ethical connotations that it makes it impossible reach a tangible conclusion.

Sorry to quote myself, but feel I need to reiterate why this issue will never be accepted by those socialized in such a way that their view on this issue is fundamentally inherent.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..ok, well those are fair points and put across well..it sounds as though you could possibly consider perhaps training to council some of the women who find themselves faced with seriously considering this choice..if you aren't already...that would be a very constructive thing to do for somegthing you feel so passionately about..

I employ many people, so thats not an option. I do contribute to charities , but in reality this is a government issue and the women and the families need a far greater support system thats consistent across the entire country. Women and their families need to be aware of all their options open to them including adoption and fostering. Theres thousands desperate to adopt a child. isnt it a wonderful option is for example a young pregnant woman is scared and confused , perhaps she is a teenager, with little income and little experience or understanding of the world or little support. she may panic and think abortion is the only choice. how many of these women really understand the options of adoption or fostering children?

You give birth to a beautiful child, it may be your only chance to have a child and its certainly thats childs only chance to live. You could choose to give birth and put up the child up for adoption. who knows in later years you may rekindle a relationship. by that time the child has grown a few years , safe and loved by a foster family. meanwhile the mother has the chance to grow and prosper and by that time it may be right moment to meet and build a relationship. isnt that scenario a bit brighter than the rushed abortion and a lifetime of regret? dont get me wrong my heart bleeds for these women , but it also bleeds for the babies. the way david cameron and the mp's shouted down nadine dirries asking questions on abortion in parliament turned my stomach.

This myth that the nhs covers all of this and everyone is satisfied with the service is nonsense. The system is profoundly lacking in all areas.

However when a woman like nadine dorries questions the current situation she is hated mocked and ignored? why?

because she is questioning the nhs? you are not allowed to question the biggest state employer in the world, you cant question the bad procedures, the nursing standards, the culture, the mixed services available, the profound regret women often feel, the fact they feel they have little alternatives often and as the voices of th eunborn child and the fathers are barely even considered. Its very unhealthy to live in a country where the individual hasnt got a voice against the power of the system

[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I like this post and agree with every word that your saying.

why ?because its untrue?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Sorry to quote myself, but feel I need to reiterate why this issue will never be accepted by those socialized in such a way that their view on this issue is fundamentally inherent.

i agree its sad but many here have been socialized in such a way they dont seem able to comprehend the tragedy of the unborn child ., nor do they account for the varying standards of abortion clinics and the lack of options given to the mothers and their families. These radicals need to be more open minded.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by the truth

why ?because its untrue?

Yes I agree with Munchkins because she tells lies about you and I don't think all of the stuff about you that she hasn't already said for me.

Am I just one of many members that has no mind of my own and can only form opinions off other members?