[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

If that is true, and I have to say I find it next to impossible to believe, then really, it's shameful you know so little about how everything works and you really should be doing more to changing things and encouraging others to, rather than posting the uncorroborated words of a tabloid journalist day after day.

How little YOU know .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I trust them far more then a bunch of wretched tabloids that seeks only controversy and luring it's easily led audience into a mob mentality. I place faith in cold hard undeniable evidence, I'm not going to condemn someone on the word of a trashy tabloid that's gotten it wrong before.

Do you only read the tabloids?


Personally, I extend my selection to include any source of relevance .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

You really are wildly overestimating the influence of the Masons on both the police and on Parliament.

How do you know?

Are YOU a mason or a policeman or a parliamentarian?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Who does that?...
I certainly don't.

Me, neither .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

Do you only read the tabloids?


Personally, I extend my selection to include any source of relevance .....

Yes
SkyNewsHD
France24
CNN USA Online
Huff post Online

[Kizzy]

I haven't read a tabloid in about 15yrs...
Wouldn't wipe my arse with the mail.
The rest are only good for wrapping chips.

[Tom4784]

Youtube video

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20266118

Lord McAlpine has "no choice" but to take legal action over claims of abuse at a north Wales children's home, the Conservative peer's solicitor has said.

Andrew Reid said claims linking the peer to alleged historical child abuse were "false and seriously defamatory".

The solicitor was critical of the BBC's Newsnight, on which claims were made although no-one was named.

The BBC has said an abuse victim had serious allegations to make and deserved to be heard on Newsnight.

Asked by BBC Radio 4's PM programme if Lord McAlpine would take legal action, Mr Reid said: "Sadly he has no choice.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114

A former resident of a north Wales care home has apologised for making false allegations of sexual abuse against a Conservative politician.

Steve Messham said a case of mistaken identity had led to peer Lord McAlpine being linked to the historical claims.

Mr Messham offered "sincere and humble apologies" to the peer and his family.

In a statement on Friday evening, Mr Messham said: "After seeing a picture in the past hour of the individual concerned, this [is] not the person I identified by photograph presented to me by the police in the early 1990s, who told me the man in the photograph was Lord McAlpine."

[arista]

On Ch4News now

[arista]

The Lord is Not the Man
says Steve Meesham

Live On Ch4News now.

Omah change your heading - as its no longer just him "claims"
as he is Not the pedo

BBC Newsnight Got it Wrong
The Guardian Got it wrong


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...se-allegations

[Omah]

OK - Done .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20277732

The BBC has issued an unreserved apology for a Newsnight report which led to Lord McAlpine being wrongly implicated in the alleged sexual abuse of children at north Wales care homes.

It comes after a victim, Steve Messham, apologised to the former Tory treasurer after saying he did not assault him.

Newsnight had reported Mr Messham's claims against a leading 1980s Tory politician but did not name him.

The BBC also announced an "immediate pause" in all Newsnight investigations.

The BBC's statement said: "On 2 November, Newsnight broadcast a report that looked into criticism of the North Wales Abuse Tribunal.

"The report included an interview with Steve Messham, an abuse victim who said that a senior political figure of the time had abused him.

"We broadcast Mr Messham's claim but did not identify the individual concerned. Mr Messham has tonight made a statement that makes clear he wrongly identified his abuser and has apologised.

"We also apologise unreservedly for having broadcast this report."

The BBC said that, on Friday night, director general George Entwistle had ordered the following actions:

1. Sending in a senior news executive to "supervise" Friday night's edition of Newsnight
2. An apology broadcast on Friday's programme
3. An "immediate pause in all Newsnight investigations to assess editorial robustness and supervision"
4. Commissioning BBC Scotland director Ken MacQuarrie to write an "urgent report for the DG covering what happened on this Newsnight investigation"
5. An "immediate suspension" of all co-productions with the Bureau of Investigative Journalism which Newsnight worked with on the programme

Not good for Newsnight .....

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Livia

Witch-hunts R Us.

The moronic behaviour of these people that partake in these witch hunts beggars belief its as if they dont have the intellect to realise what harm panic mongering can do.

I have had to distance myself from these hysteria driven imbeciles that behave in that manner.
The way some seem to revel in child murder, paedophilia allegations,missing people hunts and things of those type makes me shudder. Irresponsible is not the word.

ugghh do people not see how much they can hinder things? Do they actually think they are helping? it baffles me! im trying to stay away from emotive subjects as there are far too many people desperate to be offended by as much as possible but just thought i would say hola to the forum

[Omah]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The moronic behaviour of these people that partake in these witch hunts beggars belief its as if they dont have the intellect to realise what harm panic mongering can do.

I have had to distance myself from these hysteria driven imbeciles that behave in that manner.

The way some seem to revel in child murder, paedophilia allegations,missing people hunts and things of those type makes me shudder. Irresponsible is not the word.

ugghh do people not see how much they can hinder things? Do they actually think they are helping? it baffles me! im trying to stay away from emotive subjects as there are far too many people desperate to be offended by as much as possible but just thought i would say hola to the forum

Yeah, far better to turn a blind eye, let bygones be bygones and sweep it under the carpet .....

[Omah]

BREAKING NEWS:BBC DG Entwistle: The Newsnight film on child abuse in north Wales should not have gone out

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Omah

It's a shame there was no "witch-hunt" for Savile when he was young - they could have strung him up and spared hundreds of children the degradation of his molestation and violation .....

Turning a blind eye never did anyone any favours .....

But blaming innocent people (like what has just happened) does the world favours?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

BREAKING NEWS:BBC DG Entwistle: The Newsnight film on child abuse in north Wales should not have gone out

Its a Bucket of Worms
Utter Mess


GE
looks so guilty on BBC News (this morning)
(of course he has only just started his job)
trying to save Newsnight.


Meanwhile
Media Guardian Expert Steve Hewlett
on SkyNewsHD
said taking the Newsnight Editor
away has not worked
a BBC Radio 5 News Boss is trying to sort
Newsnight out.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/stevehewlett

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

But blaming innocent people (like what has just happened) does the world favours?

IIRC, Mr Messham laid the blame .....

[Kizzy]

Ah, are we to expect the investigation to grind to a halt now due to this mix up in family members?...I hope not
There is still the matter of the evidence which was destroyed following the 90's inquiry?
Mr Meesham has been discredited rather unfairly... It's not his fault that the blame was laid at Lord McAlpines door...
He was a child victim of systematic abuse... He gave names, times, dates, places and even photographic evidence.
What else could he do?
Was it not the job of the inquiry to piece together this evidence and correctly identify the suspect?

[arista]

Newsnight needs its proper Editor back,
and must Stop sending out tweets to press
as they got it wrong.


"George Entwistle admits Newsnight Tory
sex abuse claims should never have been broadcast
The BBC's director general George Entwistle
has admitted the Newsnight film which
wrongly accused a senior Conservative
figure of child abuse should never
have been broadcast, but he refused
to resign over the issue."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...broadcast.html

[Livia]

I hope that Lord McAlpine is able to sue for libel and defamation of character, the people who named him on the Internet. Steve Messham who is claiming he was abused as a child never named Lord McAlpine, the hysterics did. Consequently Mr Messham's Case has been weakened considerably and the focus taken off the real issue. And it looks like some of those hysterics are still putting two and two together and coming up with twenty two.

Are people really so simple that they feel they can accuse people of the most heinous of crimes with no evidence whatsoever? The profound stupidity of some people astounds me sometimes

[Kizzy]

Whipping people into a frenzy is the speciality of the British media.
We are not aware how Lord McAlpines name became linked to this case, blaming the victim however is not going to benefit anyone I feel.
Why the anger has been redirected away from the focus of the issue I don't know.

[arista]

Yes the Victim
still has to find the Pedo gang.

But the BBC Staff sent tweets
they started the frenzy,
Newsnight does not have the Proper Editor
they need him back.

The BBC newsnight team do a good job
most times.
They are even now on BBCHD at 10:30PM as well
as BBC2.


But the point is Newsnight
first claimed they were going to name him
they must stop tweets.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

Are people really so simple that they feel they can accuse people of the most heinous of crimes with no evidence whatsoever? The profound stupidity of some people astounds me sometimes

Yeah, me too .....

Apparently, some people believe Jimmy Savile is innocent .....