[smeagol]

the best gangster movies are british no one does those better. we make the american stuff look tame compared and of course period drama movies. though no doubt all made with american cash.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by smeagol

the best gangster movies are british no one does those better. we make the american stuff look tame compared and of course period drama movies. though no doubt all made with american cash.

youre having a laugh? british gangster films are nearly all abysmal, a total embarassment.....the only good ones were made in the 70s like get carter or one off like lock stock and two smoking barrells which was a good black comedy.....the yanks produced Godfather 1 and 2, scarface, gangs of new york, on the waterfront, mean streets, carlittos way, untouchables, white heat, angels with dirty faces, cape fear, king of new york, hoffa, once upon a time in america, road to perdition, goodfellas, pulp fiction, casino,etc all epic movies. same with sopranos, its epic and light years better than any british drama ever made.

our gangster movies are just like an extended episode of the abysmal eastenders, with idiots like grant mitchell hitting people with a crowbar, the trouble too is we dont seem to even understand the basic premise that to be a head mobster or head gangster you must possess a variety of qualities, you are feared and hated, but also loved, and respected, a godfather has to have phenomenal charisma as displayed by brando , pacino, day lewis, newman, deniro, hanks, james gandolfini, and many more....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Suze

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I don't know. Are they?

If so, at least we have the best theatre, shows, in the UK don't we? and the cream of Classical actors/actresses who I guess prefer working theatre than films maybe?

we produce great stage actors and many great actors....but we do not produce enough greta movies, nor do we seem to produce enough writers considering our culture and history. we invented the language and all the other ancient british languages too....we get the one off like JK Rowling, but she makes £600 million and 99% of the other writers make nothing at all?
wheres the balance and opportunity in this country? we seem to have a really stupid ill thought out system for aspiring writers


so we brits should surely offer more opportunities to british writers....the pathway to screenwriting, script writing, playwriting, novelists etc is a mess in the UK....if youre famous or tacky you have a chance....whereas in america a guy like stallone with no education and poor grammar walks into universal pictures with a rocky script and leaves with $1 million and a chance to play the role of a lifetime

not sure if america is always the land of opportunity, but the UK certainly is not.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Because Brits have a funny habit of supporting failures (like people on the dole) and slagging off talented people(who do you think you are?).

It's a very weird culture in the UK.

Basically Brits went from being absolute assholes conquering the world with racism and genocide across the entire planet(aka colonialism), to then just hating themselves and relying on America to do all of their dirty work.

basically, you don't make great movies because you don't have a great history. If Brits really made great movies, they'd start making movies about all of the ******ED up things they did in colonialism.

But British people are not good at self-analysis.

Apart from the fact you obviously have anger issues, calm down with the xenophobia.

You talk about being unpopular on here, well it's not helping your cause by being so aggressive.

America is far from perfect and you can't judge a whole country off the attitude of some scumbags from the press.

Personally, I love to support talented and successful people. It's just with the upsurge in the "famous for being famous" rubbish there's a lot less of them to look out for.

I'll skip over your comment about our history considering the last time I had a debate with you about history and the Royal family, you knew very very little facts. You make bold statements about foreigners that hold very little substance. The way you think you know anything about the UK's culture is laughable.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

we produce great stage actors and many great actors....but we do not produce enough greta movies, nor do we seem to produce enough writers considering our culture and history. we invented the language and all the other ancient british languages too....we get the one off like JK Rowling, but she makes £600 million and 99% of the other writers make nothing at all?
wheres the balance and opportunity in this country? we seem to have a really stupid ill thought out system for aspiring writers


so we brits should surely offer more opportunities to british writers....the pathway to screenwriting, script writing, playwriting, novelists etc is a mess in the UK....if youre famous or tacky you have a chance....whereas in america a guy like stallone with no education and poor grammar walks into universal pictures with a rocky script and leaves with $1 million and a chance to play the role of a lifetime

not sure if america is always the land of opportunity, but the UK certainly is not.

That's not really a good example though. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of actors/writers/producers etc from all over the world flock to Hollywood to "make it" and only a very slim % do. It's far from "easy".

[Saph]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Because Brits have a funny habit of supporting failures (like people on the dole) and slagging off talented people(who do you think you are?).

It's a very weird culture in the UK.

Basically Brits went from being absolute assholes conquering the world with racism and genocide across the entire planet(aka colonialism), to then just hating themselves and relying on America to do all of their dirty work.

basically, you don't make great movies because you don't have a great history. If Brits really made great movies, they'd start making movies about all of the ******ED up things they did in colonialism.

But British people are not good at self-analysis.

[the truth]

the reason it really angers me is that we have such talent and such a heritage for literature and acting....yet we fail to invest in the poortunities for outr talented people. on top of that we then allow the americans to invest in our talent and they take the profits. This is not an anti american thread though I admire and applaud the fact they DO invest in talent, writers, producers, actors far far far far more than we do. I also blame this on the class structure too, the publishers in the UK are way too elitist. we need way more danny boyles, nick hornbys, irvine welshes, ian flemings, ken loaches, michael winners, we also need our own scorseses, but we need more opportunity for these people. lets be brave lets get more investment in british movies.

[james130]

I love British cinema
- Trainspotting
- Lock Stock
- Full Monty
- Snatch
- 28 Days
- This Is England

[Kizzy]

Who has the money to invest in the arts? The nation is on the skids...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

the reason it really angers me is that we have such talent and such a heritage for literature and acting....yet we fail to invest in the poortunities for outr talented people. on top of that we then allow the americans to invest in our talent and they take the profits. This is not an anti american thread though I admire and applaud the fact they DO invest in talent, writers, producers, actors far far far far more than we do. I also blame this on the class structure too, the publishers in the UK are way too elitist. we need way more danny boyles, nick hornbys, irvine welshes, ian flemings, ken loaches, michael winners, we also need our own scorseses, but we need more opportunity for these people. lets be brave lets get more investment in british movies.

Where do you suppose they get the money from?

It's easy for you to say "Let's give more opportunities to people like they do in Hollywood" but it's not comparable.

[reece(:]

Because of the tiny budgets they get, mind that there's a few gems out there.

[the truth]

its not just money its the elitist attitude towards writers. its too hard and theres no pathway for aspiring writers to become play writes, its a question of values and opportunities and class war....look at the awesome billy wilder a penniless jewish immigrant who begged at passport control for a visa despite having any papers....they gave him a chance and he won at least 6 oscars for writing and directing umpteen masterpieces. one wonders if hed have had such oppoirtunities here? it seems the UK offers ALL its opportunities to a small select band of oxbridge graduates and the rest seem to have to crawl over broken glass to even get heard. its not just money its our class culture imho

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lostalex

basically, you don't make great movies because you don't have a great history.

Typical Yank, Ignorant as ******