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MrWong · 03-08-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

I said '3-5 day period on the first half'. How that translates to I think the series is 4 weeks long is up to you. So I have no idea what you're talking about here.

So you're still sticking with the 'she was only a bitch for 3-5 days' then yeah?

All I can really suggest is that you re-watch the series.

CaudleHalbard · 03-08-2013, 01:10 PM

I assume some people think she's a snake because they feel she told lies and got another housemate ejected as a result of her lies.

kefln · 03-08-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong

Hazel took Sallie's side during the Sallie/Gina row.
Sallie got over it, Hazel didn't and started nomming Gina from then.

Then there was the incident with the VT, where Hazel bare faced lied about what she'd said in front of the group, making out that Gina was the liar. She then took Wolfy off to the toilets for a good old bitch about Gina. Not realising that Gina was listening at the door.

When Gina was in the safe house she heard Hazel bitch about her lifestyle to Daley. She also heard Hazel accuse Charlie of wanting Daley for herself and that she should get a ****ing life. She said similar about Callum, calling him a ****ing prick.

Hazel's become less mouthy as the people she's been closest to have been evicted. Hearing Gina's crowd chants and the popularity task probably has a lot to do with it as well.

Are you talking about Gina, who only really speaks when she wants to bitch?

And if you have a problem with bitching, then you must have a problem with:

Gina
The twins
Hazel
Charlie
Callum
Dex
Dan
Daley
Jackie
Jemima
Salie
Sam
Sophie
Wolfy

Because all of the above have bitched and most have backstabed at some stage...

MrWong · 03-08-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kefln

Are you talking about Gina, who only really speaks when she wants to bitch?

And if you have a problem with bitching, then you must have a problem with:

Gina
The twins
Hazel
Charlie
Callum
Dex
Dan
Daley
Jackie
Jemima
Salie
Sam
Sophie
Wolfy

Because all of the above have bitched and most have backstabed at some stage...

Er no? Re-read the thread. A poster didn't know what Hazel had done, so I mentioned a few things.

No **** Sherlock.

CaudleHalbard · 03-08-2013, 01:16 PM

It has nothing whatsoever to do with bitching. Dan bitched constantly but nobody called him a snake.

It is all about Dazelgate.

GiRTh · 03-08-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong

So you're still sticking with the 'she was only a bitch for 3-5 days' then yeah?

All I can really suggest is that you re-watch the series.

You are the only person I've seen suggest she was voted a snake cuz of the few incidents you've picked. IF that is the case and you honestly thinks she's was voted a snake cuz of those few incidents than I suggest you re-watch the series and re-read the forums and re-watch the spin off shows.

Kyle · 03-08-2013, 01:21 PM

It was all over the Daley situation that made it worse plus she does seem to give off a kind of manipulative look sometimes.

She doesn't deserve the snake label even though I don't think she can be trusted.

Jake. · 03-08-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I assume some people think she's a snake because they feel she told lies and got another housemate ejected as a result of her lies.

God just no

MrWong · 03-08-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

You are the only person I've seen suggest she was voted a snake cuz of the few incidents you've picked. IF that is the case and you honestly thinks she's was voted a snake cuz of those few incidents than I suggest you re-watch the series and re-read the forums and re-watch the spin off shows.

The poster I replied to mentioned the Daley incident (which also adds to the title of snake) Why would I repeat it?

They hadn't seen the first half of the series and started watching from the Daley incident, so I mentioned **** from the first half.

kefln · 03-08-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong

Er no? Re-read the thread. A poster didn't know what Hazel had done, so I mentioned a few things.

No **** Sherlock.

Yes you were trying to "prove" that the dislike for hazel is justified, and not just based on the week she was flirting with daley. That she was bitchy in the couple of weeks leading up to the "incident" is enough of a reason to dislike her.

But that statement doesnt recognise the fact that all the housemates bitch. So in essence she is no worse than the rest.

Plus her composure over the last few weeks more than makes up for a 2 minute bitching session in the toilet nearly two months ago.

Housemates change and adjust as a series progresses. Peoples favourites change and adjust too. But for some, its impossible to let go. Its a variation of the end justifies the means. The dislike is far more important than the reasons why. That is to say, people dislike hazel because she bitches, but if she stops bitching, then they dislike her because she once bitched. Any change of character can be ignored because of the dislike.

CaudleHalbard · 03-08-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It has nothing whatsoever to do with bitching. Dan bitched constantly but nobody called him a snake.

It is all about Dazelgate.

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Originally Posted by JH95

God just no

You may not like people having that view but there is no other explanation. Sorry.

GiRTh · 03-08-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kefln

Yes you were trying to "prove" that the dislike for hazel is justified, and not just based on the week she was flirting with daley. That she was bitchy in the couple of weeks leading up to the "incident" is enough of a reason to dislike her.

But that statement doesnt recognise the fact that all the housemates bitch. So in essence she is no worse than the rest.

Plus her composure over the last few weeks more than makes up for a 2 minute bitching session in the toilet nearly two months ago.

Housemates change and adjust as a series progresses. Peoples favourites change and adjust too. But for some, its impossible to let go. Its a variation of the end justifies the means. The dislike is far more important than the reasons why. That is to say, people dislike hazel because she bitches, but if she stops bitching, then they dislike her because she once bitched. Any change of character can be ignored because of the dislike.

Excellent post.

MrWong · 03-08-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kefln

Yes you were trying to "prove" that the dislike for hazel is justified, and not just based on the week she was flirting with daley. That she was bitchy in the couple of weeks leading up to the "incident" is enough of a reason to dislike her.

But that statement doesnt recognise the fact that all the housemates bitch. So in essence she is no worse than the rest.

Plus her composure over the last few weeks more than makes up for a 2 minute bitching session in the toilet nearly two months ago.

Housemates change and adjust as a series progresses. Peoples favourites change and adjust too. But for some, its impossible to let go. Its a variation of the end justifies the means. The dislike is far more important than the reasons why. That is to say, people dislike hazel because she bitches, but if she stops bitching, then they dislike her because she once bitched. Any change of character can be ignored because of the dislike.

That's the thing though. She hasn't stopped bitching. It's just reduced as her allies have been booted and since the Gina chants and favourite task.

Just last week she was saying that it probably wouldn't happen but she hoped that Gina would get evicted because she's a spoilt little bitch.

This week she's been bitchy about her mate Charlie, not including her in the people she'd like to meet up with after the show. Then to her face saying she would meet up with her.

Just remembered another reason when she was labelled sly in the early weeks. She was all over Dan, literally. Then dropped him the minute he got nominated. Lots of threads about it at the time. That along with the lying about her VT (when we all saw what she'd said) attributed to the snake title.

rionablue · 03-08-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong

Hazel took Sallie's side during the Sallie/Gina row.
Sallie got over it, Hazel didn't and started nomming Gina from then.

Then there was the incident with the VT, where Hazel bare faced lied about what she'd said in front of the group, making out that Gina was the liar. She then took Wolfy off to the toilets for a good old bitch about Gina. Not realising that Gina was listening at the door.

When Gina was in the safe house she heard Hazel bitch about her lifestyle to Daley. She also heard Hazel accuse Charlie of wanting Daley for herself and that she should get a ****ing life. She said similar about Callum, calling him a ****ing prick.

Hazel's become less mouthy as the people she's been closest to have been evicted. Hearing Gina's crowd chants and the popularity task probably has a lot to do with it as well.

Callum admitted in his interview last night that he lied through his teeth to get into big brother but of course it was Hazel taken to task. Gina came out all guns blazing for Hazel when she saw her VT and has bitched bitched bitched constantly about her since, mainly to the other housemates or in the diaryroom. Hazel has a right not to 'get' what Gina's lifestyle is about as Hazel works for her money as a model and Gina has everything handed to her. I would feel the same way. The biggest bitch in the house is Gina and if anyone has been looking at the highlights shows with the past week you will see that.

MrWong · 03-08-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rionablue

Callum admitted in his interview last night that he lied through his teeth to get into big brother but of course it was Hazel taken to task. Gina came out all guns blazing for Hazel when she saw her VT and has bitched bitched bitched constantly about her since, mainly to the other housemates or in the diaryroom. Hazel has a right not to 'get' what Gina's lifestyle is about as Hazel works for her money as a model and Gina has everything handed to her. I would feel the same way. The biggest bitch in the house is Gina and if anyone has been looking at the highlights shows with the past week you will see that.

Callum wasn't taken to task because he had the minerals to admit that he said it. Only Jackie carried on giving him **** for it.

Hazel on the other hand completely denied saying anything on the VT, making Gina out to be a liar, further isolating her from the group and to top it off Hazel takes Wolfy to the toilet to bitch about Gina.

She didn't come out all guns blazing. Callum got roasted first and Hazel asked what was on her VT.

Hazel doesn't just 'not get' Gina's lifestyle. She hates her for it.

anne666 · 03-08-2013, 02:16 PM

I went off Hazel and Daley when they started their showmance purely for the magazine deals IMO.Whatever lack of morals anyone attaches to that re girlfriend is immaterial to me. It is their life to mess up if they wish. If he is a cheat Hazel did his GF a favour. I also did not want to see or hear anything to do with the whole sickly showmance process. Since then she done nothing to offend or inspire me .

Seanbon · 03-08-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I assume some people think she's a snake because they feel she told lies and got another housemate ejected as a result of her lies.

I think Daley was ejected because of his actions,nothing to do with anything Hazel said!!

CaudleHalbard · 03-08-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanbon

I think Daley was ejected because of his actions,nothing to do with anything Hazel said!!

You are having a laugh, as they say?

All Hazel needed to have said is that they were play fighting. Which is the case. Both would have been informally warned and BB would have dropped the matter.

That is what Daley is so angry about and why he has 'slaughtered' Hazel in the media - as the tennis ball said!

pcro · 03-08-2013, 03:29 PM

She's done nothing except being good looking and is intelligent. A certain segment of the audience finds that unpardonable.

CaudleHalbard · 03-08-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pcro

She's done nothing except being good looking and is intelligent.

Lying in the diary room was the clincher though!

As a glamour model she had a mountain to climb. She fell off it when not even halfway up.

halfacrown · 03-08-2013, 04:44 PM

Still not seeing anything much to like about Hazel. She was involved in a nauseating showmance that went badly wrong. Since then she's kept a low profile. She seems humourless and barely able to tolerate being around the other housemates. Yet people insist that we must all like her: strange.

waylander1973 · 03-08-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It has nothing whatsoever to do with bitching. Dan bitched constantly but nobody called him a snake.

It is all about Dazelgate.

You are right.

kefln · 03-08-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong

That's the thing though. She hasn't stopped bitching. It's just reduced as her allies have been booted and since the Gina chants and favourite task.

Just last week she was saying that it probably wouldn't happen but she hoped that Gina would get evicted because she's a spoilt little bitch.

This week she's been bitchy about her mate Charlie, not including her in the people she'd like to meet up with after the show. Then to her face saying she would meet up with her.

Just remembered another reason when she was labelled sly in the early weeks. She was all over Dan, literally. Then dropped him the minute he got nominated. Lots of threads about it at the time. That along with the lying about her VT (when we all saw what she'd said) attributed to the snake title.

Again, shs is no different from any of the rest of them. Callum bitching about dex. Sophie bitching about Sam. Gina about nearly everyone. Wolfy. Dan. Sallie. Jackie on and on about Callum. Charlie nominating callum, despite being one of his closest companions in there.

You seem to have focused on Hazel bitching and ignored the months of bitching by every single housemate.

And did Hazel drop Dan, or did the editing of the show involving hazel at that time just concentrate on the developing daley story? Its hard to really tell. All we really know is that they remained close, right up until they left.

As for the VT? Isnt it normal that a few of them lied, in some shape of form? I mean dexs back story is total fabrication. So why isnt he the snake? He lies, he changes his story, he bitches, hes involved in a fo-mance of sorts, he even claimed to have a gf. But hazel, didnt throw herself on her sword at ginas command, over the vt. She bitched a few times. Therefore she is automatically the worst in there...

Macie Lightfoot · 03-08-2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I used to think Hazel was a snake, but now i changed my mind. She's very strong and a great housemate. I live the way she stood up for Dexter after Callum tried to get him thrown out.

alol if it was the other way around you'd still be bitching about how she's a snake for going after your Sexy Dexy and whatnot.