[Vanessa]

i think it's possible that maddie was kidnapped, just like Maria and Ben were. I hope they find these kids. They should be with their parents.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

if you have information on the case, give it to the police,
don't read thru evidence that they already have and claim you have proof.

what in heavens name are you talking about?

Have I claimed anything? Nope. and don't tell me what to do. ta

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

This is hilarious to me because Chuff is the one getting arsey with everyone else for not swallowing everything she says or daring to question some of her points.

Instead of responding with an answer, she throws passive aggressive comments insulting you.

No point engaging on a discussion forum unless you want to actually discuss and not just dictate.

shes not dictating anything, youre being very disingenuous saying that. she just giving her opiniuon and as much evidence and links as she can think of, also she is showing passion for the topic not aggression. totally different things.....maddie mcann and the tax paying brits who part fund this circus, deserve to have all sides looked at and should not be intimidated into silence by you or the money men

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes not dictating anything, youre being very disingenuous saying that. she just giving her opiniuon and as much evidence and links as she can think of, also she is showing passion for the topic not aggression. totally different things.....maddie mcann and the tax paying brits who part fund this circus, deserve to have all sides looked at and should not be intimidated into silence by you or the money men

Who said I want her silenced? Don't put words into my mouth.

When I'm personally insulted for daring to question her posts then I take issue with her "I'm right, you're wrong" arrogance.

As she said, she has no interest in discussing anything. She puts everyone into boxes and takes offence if you ask her to elaborate.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If only people would come off of playing silly quizzes and take a day or 2 to read the police files ,witness statement as thousands of people have, they would see the larger picture, but some folk are more then happy to plod on believe the red tops and not giving a flying one for an innocent child ,as long they are ok ,sod the rest, gladly thats not my attitude or thousands of others, since Crimewatch aired 7 days ago,one group alone that I am in has had 11,000 new members who HAVE read files etc ,and are now also fighting for justice for Maddie

Finally, in a roundabout way you have answered my question as to the purpose of the internet group. To my mind if the group really wanted justice for Maddie they would keep an open mind as to all the possibilities not hinder the search by smearing the McCanns. It seems to me some of these groups are baying for blood and are focussing solely on the McCanns as suspects rather than looking at the bigger picture. People who claim they are going to ring up the police with duff information and people who have done it have no interest at all in Justice for Maddie imo.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by the truth

what in heavens name are you talking about?

Have I claimed anything? Nope. and don't tell me what to do. ta

of course I will tell people to go to the police if they have information.
and of course you know nothing!

in your previous post you where trying to be a smart arse with the professionals reference, in which you quoted david beckham and the pope.

the simple facts of this case are
there is not enough evidence in this case in that the person/persons responsible for this crime can be traced.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Finally, in a roundabout way you have answered my question as to the purpose of the internet group. To my mind if the group really wanted justice for Maddie they would keep an open mind as to all the possibilities not hinder the search by smearing the McCanns. It seems to me some of these groups are baying for blood and are focussing solely on the McCanns as suspects rather than looking at the bigger picture. People who claim they are going to ring up the police with duff information and people who have done it have no interest at all in Justice for Maddie imo.

I will ask you the same question I asked Jesus ,how many of these groups are you a member of ,or are you just making it up as you go along and talking blind ?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I will ask you the same question I asked Jesus ,how many of these groups are you a member of ,or are you just making it up as you go along and talking blind ?

making it up as I go along? in what way am I doing that?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Chuff, what do you think actually happened that day in Portugal? I'm not being arsey, I'm genuinely interested.

What i think happened is the same as the Portugese policeman they are now trying to silence, his book is based entirely on the police files ,the things that first sent warning bells flashing for me was
From night one Kate,Gerry claimed the shutters were smashed,they clearly were NOT

The first interview when neither had a tear in sight ,no eye contact

Setting up a search fund" within days (why did they think she was not coming back ? )

The Smith sighting ,now being claimed by SY as a new breakthrough ,its not its 6 years old

Why did Gordon Brown straight away send his spokesman Clarence Mitchell to Pdl ? did they do the same with any other missing child case ?

Why was Yvonne Martin (social worker) get sent away when she went to ask if she could be of help, but was seen talking to McCanns by David Payern who she recognised from a case she had worked on, he clearly saw her, shouted Kate,Gerry over, they went back and told Martin they didnt need her help



Gaspar statements where Leis police were told of paedo tendency in the tapas group ,and the fact Leic police decided to hold onto these statments for 7 months before handing them over to the Portuguese police working on the case

The most telling thing to me and countless others is the dog evidence

The rescheduled trip to Huelva on a bank holiday when everywhere is closed ,to hand out leaflets ,the lost hours and milage they refused to clarify ,the fact Maddies cadaver was in the car boot,which Gerry claimed was seabass? and the statement of a witness who said for days and nights following the Huelva trip McCanns kept the boot lid open

The making a list (with loads of crossing outs) BEFORE they rang the police ,they also deleted phone records too in the time before they rang police

Another ,now proven lie was Tanner witness statement claiming she saw the abductor, SY have dropped that ,so is she going to be charged with perjury?

Lots in Kates book is different to statements were made ,the vile page 129 in the book where Kate talks of "thinking of Maddies perfect,torn genitals" Im sorry but no Mother would think this way never mind put it in print in a book she wrote for her twins

Another damning thing is why did Kate refuse to answer 48 out of 49 police questions ?


Why would a group of intelligent adults not conserve a crime scene? when police arrived they had filled 5a with all Tapas group and Warner staff

I could go on,but I wont ,but everything I have quoted can be found in police files on the case

I don't think you've actually answered the question, you've just repeated stuff you posted earlier in the thread.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't think you've actually answered the question, you've just repeated stuff you posted earlier in the thread.

my reply is to Lee

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't think you've actually answered the question, you've just repeated stuff you posted earlier in the thread.

Jesus,do none of these things make you question what happened to Madeline or do you think it's as cut and dry as an abduction?I think Chuff has put forward some thought provoking questions and I do think people have the right to query their actions.I admire Chuffs passion and I do think she has some very valid points,it certainly made me think.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jesus,do none of these things make you question what happened to Madeline or do you think it's as cut and dry as an abduction?I think Chuff has put forward some thought provoking questions and I do think people have the right to query their actions.I admire Chuffs passion and I do think she has some very valid points,it certainly made me think.

Thank you Kaz Glad someone cares about MADDIE and not the McCanns, for 6 years its all been about THEM, while they spend the money donated on the pretence of it being used to "search" when 87% of it to date has used to fund Gnr Pinochette extradition lawyers( In a child abduction case?) and is used to pay Pr and media advisers(again in a child abduction case ?) and for lawyers to sue everyone who questions their fairytale.the ongoing case in Lisbon courts against Goncarlo Amaral is the 4th time they have tried to ban his book (lost 1st 3 cases,losing this one too) yet there are several other books out there which dispute the Mcs lies, but they have never sued those authors ,but the difference being is Amarals book is FACTS from the police files ,both Pj and Uk

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Thank you Kaz Glad someone cares about MADDIE and not the McCanns, for 6 years its all been about THEM, while they spend the money donated on the pretence of it being used to "search" when 87% of it to date has used to fund Gnr Pinochette extradition lawyers( In a child abduction case?) and is used to pay Pr and media advisers(again in a child abduction case ?) and for lawyers to sue everyone who questions their fairytale.the ongoing case in Lisbon courts against Goncarlo Amaral is the 4th time they have tried to ban his book (lost 1st 3 cases,losing this one too) yet there are several other books out there which dispute the Mcs lies, but they have never sued those authors ,but the difference being is Amarals book is FACTS from the police files ,both Pj and Uk

It's not a question of caring more about one or the other, it is a question of getting to the truth, even if this book does contain the "real! story there obviously isn't enough of a case to bring charges, so innocent until proven guilty. Focussing on the McCanns alleged guilt is detracting from finding Maddie or what happened to her in my view.

[Kizzy]

Thanks for that chuff, it's not hard to believe the fund is being mismanaged at all, it was on the news that not one penny will be made available to Ben Needhams family.
They wish to look into the case again in Greece due to the case of the child found in the gypsy camp.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thanks for that chuff, it's not hard to believe the fund is being mismanaged at all, it was on the news that not one penny will be made available to Ben Needhams family.
They wish to look into the case again in Greece due to the case of the child found in the gypsy camp.

It is not a charity it is a Ltd Co, with Kate,Gerry the 2*who decided where its spent ,it is now used to "Support extended family" is THIS what pensioners and children thought their money was going to be used for ?

[chuff me dizzy]

Maddie abducted 4th May 2007 ,fund up and running by 13th

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id58.html

[Kizzy]

So are they using this as income, as in taking a 'wage' from it?
That is odd!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So are they using this as income, as in taking a 'wage' from it?
That is odd!

Kate retired from her job to work on the case ( lol) im not sure,but I would expect she takes a wage ,I will ask if anyone has the last company receipts ,I know on older accounts they even took the money for stamps out of the "search fund"

[chuff me dizzy]

In October 2007 it leaked that they has used the money to pay the mortgage


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-mortgage.html

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kate retired from her job to work on the case ( lol) im not sure,but I would expect she takes a wage ,I will ask if anyone has the last company receipts ,I know on older accounts they even took the money for stamps out of the "search fund"

So you don't know for sure, but hey lets just spread it round anyway.

So what are we saying now that they accidentally killed Maddie and seized on this as an opportunity to start a fund so that Kate could give up her job?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What i think happened is the same as the Portugese policeman they are now trying to silence, his book is based entirely on the police files ,the things that first sent warning bells flashing for me was
From night one Kate,Gerry claimed the shutters were smashed,they clearly were NOT

The first interview when neither had a tear in sight ,no eye contact

Setting up a search fund" within days (why did they think she was not coming back ? )

The Smith sighting ,now being claimed by SY as a new breakthrough ,its not its 6 years old

Why did Gordon Brown straight away send his spokesman Clarence Mitchell to Pdl ? did they do the same with any other missing child case ?

Why was Yvonne Martin (social worker) get sent away when she went to ask if she could be of help, but was seen talking to McCanns by David Payern who she recognised from a case she had worked on, he clearly saw her, shouted Kate,Gerry over, they went back and told Martin they didnt need her help



Gaspar statements where Leis police were told of paedo tendency in the tapas group ,and the fact Leic police decided to hold onto these statments for 7 months before handing them over to the Portuguese police working on the case

The most telling thing to me and countless others is the dog evidence

The rescheduled trip to Huelva on a bank holiday when everywhere is closed ,to hand out leaflets ,the lost hours and milage they refused to clarify ,the fact Maddies cadaver was in the car boot,which Gerry claimed was seabass? and the statement of a witness who said for days and nights following the Huelva trip McCanns kept the boot lid open

The making a list (with loads of crossing outs) BEFORE they rang the police ,they also deleted phone records too in the time before they rang police

Another ,now proven lie was Tanner witness statement claiming she saw the abductor, SY have dropped that ,so is she going to be charged with perjury?

Lots in Kates book is different to statements were made ,the vile page 129 in the book where Kate talks of "thinking of Maddies perfect,torn genitals" Im sorry but no Mother would think this way never mind put it in print in a book she wrote for her twins

Another damning thing is why did Kate refuse to answer 48 out of 49 police questions ?


Why would a group of intelligent adults not conserve a crime scene? when police arrived they had filled 5a with all Tapas group and Warner staff

I could go on,but I wont ,but everything I have quoted can be found in police files on the case

Yes, but what do you personally think happened on the day Madeleine disappeared? What was the series of events?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

In October 2007 it leaked that they has used the money to pay the mortgage


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-mortgage.html

It states on that article that the mortgage payments were met by another fund

That has been met by a separate fund, using donations from wealthy benefactors including Sir Richard Branson.

I don't see a problem with it tbh if that fund was set up solely to help them with living costs because they were both on unpaid leave from work.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Yes, but what do you personally think happened on the day Madeleine disappeared? What was the series of events?

How could anyone know that?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How could anyone know that?

I'm not saying chuff knows, I'm asking her what she thinks happened that day. She's obviously done enough research of the "facts" to have come up with a theory?