[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

You get reviewed in every job, I don't see why moderators should not be reviewed from time to time. But then, they are an unelected, unqualified body who discipline the rest of the forum for misdemeanours as they see fit, not always in keeping with "the rules" and with no attention to precedent. Meanwhile the right of appeal has recently been removed. Let's just say if TiBB was a country, I wouldn't be expecting an election any time soon.

Having said that... I'm mostly happy with the Mods we have.

your post is very refreshing!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

your post is very refreshing!

So was yours sheriff

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So was yours sheriff

I thought so, too!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So was yours sheriff

it had a shorter life than a butterfly! but for the short it was up, it was beautiful

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

it had a shorter life than a butterfly! but for the short it was up, it was beautiful

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I've seen it pretty much straight after he's come off a ban though, so he must have been given a lot of points to push him back onto another one (if that makes sense)

This is because 1/2 point infractions tend to only last a couple of weeks. If a 1 pointer banned him for a fortnight, then its chance to be gone by the time his ban is up..and that would mean it would only take 1 point to knock him back into a ban.

Originally Posted by Jessica‪

It doesn't show how many points you have or get any more? That is a bit silly, it would make people more well behaved if they knew they were close to a ban.

Thats exactly why the points dont get shown now To stop people just being on good behaviour til 1 expires, then starting being a tit again



As for people not being able to be mods if they have infractions, thats not completely true. Kerry had had infractions and been banned before (by mark too ) and it was never held against her. The only time it would be is if someone was getting them, every other day, and spent more time banned than posting.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As for people not being able to be mods if they have infractions, thats not completely true. Kerry had had infractions and been banned before (by mark too ) and it was never held against her. The only time it would be is if someone was getting them, every other day, and spent more time banned than posting.

Yeah, I knew about that too, some members have been around a very long time, so even if they got infractions in the past it wouldn't mean they are irresponsible now. I treat everyone in the same manner that they treat me, got a warning yesterday due to that.

[Vicky.]

As for the OP, I wouldnt have a problem with reviews. Though honestly, I doubt it would change very much.

I agree that sometimes mods break rules, and I have probably done it myself a few time too. But the amount of members around who have broken less rules than a mod, and could/would want do the job are few and far between.

I know it seems like a good thing, but its really so ****ing thankless and draining at times :S

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As for the OP, I wouldnt have a problem with reviews. Though honestly, I doubt it would change very much.

I agree that sometimes mods break rules, and I have probably done it myself a few time too. But the amount of members around who have broken less rules than a mod, and could/would want do the job are few and far between.

I know it seems like a good thing, but its really so ****ing thankless and draining at times :S

Why do you do it then, Vicky? Serious question... I would never consider being a mod and it amazes me why anyone would.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why do you do it then, Vicky? Serious question... I would never consider being a mod and it amazes me why anyone would.

I honestly dont know

I was only a member for a few weeks before I was made a mod so I dont really know what its like to not be one

Also, I may be the nosy one ben referred to earlier, a few times I have thought of stepping down, then a mix of members/mods asking me not to, and the thought of not being able to see deleted arguements and stuff made me change my mind

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly dont know

I was only a member for a few weeks before I was made a mod so I dont really know what its like to not be one

Also, I may be the nosy one ben referred to earlier, a few times I have thought of stepping down, then a mix of members/mods asking me not to, and the thought of not being able to see deleted arguements and stuff made me change my mind

Such honesty.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly dont know

I was only a member for a few weeks before I was made a mod so I dont really know what its like to not be one

Also, I may be the nosy one ben referred to earlier, a few times I have thought of stepping down, then a mix of members/mods asking me not to, and the thought of not being able to see deleted arguements and stuff made me change my mind

Yes, I do have to admire your honesty LOL...

I think it makes the mods job harder as the rules are quite wordy, one seems to cancel out another, they're mostly up for conjecture and there's no appeal anymore. The rules could be edited down to a set of bullet points really. I think if there was a review - not by mods or members, by admin - and a proper system of appeal was set, it would make the mods' job clearer, there'd be fewer arguments over warnings and infractions and less abuse of the appeals system. Just my personal opinion of course...

[MeMyselfAndI]

Yes, some mods have broken many rules & enjoy winding up members

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I do have to admire your honesty LOL...

I think it makes the mods job harder as the rules are quite wordy, one seems to cancel out another, they're mostly up for conjecture and there's no appeal anymore. The rules could be edited down to a set of bullet points really. I think if there was a review - not by mods or members, by admin - and a proper system of appeal was set, it would make the mods' job clearer, there'd be fewer arguments over warnings and infractions and less abuse of the appeals system. Just my personal opinion of course...

Been asking for a while for a change in the system but it doesnt seem like its happening. Would make everything so much easier, and more clear for members too. I know the rules are hard to understand at times. And it doesn't really help that there are only set infractions for certain rulebreaks, for others we have to use our discretion, which is where the 'bias' thing comes in as some mods ARE harsher than others..an if someone gets an infraction from one person for the same thing that someone else got one from someone else..well they could end up with totally different amounts, if that makes sense :S

Appeals was absolutely perfect (the appeals section was actually my idea to begin with) to begin with, until people started going there for EVERY little thing. I think it would probably have been better to just ban certain users from the section than remove it totally, but even doing that would have caused world war 3

[fingers]

There is a a very real problem with interpretation of rules and with personal prejudices on this Forum and it really should be clarified by the Administration even if it means posting clear and unequivocal RULES of conduct and punishments for breaches thereof.

[Z]

Yeah the infraction system leaves a lot of margin for different interpretations, it's not necessarily flawed, it's just... difficult to make it more comprehensive

[Livia]

I think - again , just my own opinion - the appeals process should be reinstated and run like this: one plea of mitigation, with a word limit, to be considered by admin. No other dialogue to be entered into, Admin's decision is final... and your ban/infraction can be increased or decreased.

Your home may be repossessed if you do not keep up repayments, terms and conditions apply.

Okay, not the last bit.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think - again , just my own opinion - the appeals process should be reinstated and run like this: one plea of mitigation, with a word limit, to be considered by admin. No other dialogue to be entered into, Admin's decision is final... and your ban/infraction can be increased or decreased.

Your home may be repossessed if you do not keep up repayments, terms and conditions apply.

Okay, not the last bit.

..oh, there's a little bit of a flaw right there..what would the limit be, roughly..to the nearest thousand..?...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..oh, there's a little bit of a flaw right there..what would the limit be, roughly..to the nearest thousand..?...

500 words max. But yes... I see the flaw LOL...

[Benjamin]

Tbh, the last time the rules were updated were when I did them last and that was probably a good couple years back. They could probably do with a review/update soon just so everybody can reread them and so that everybody mods,admin and members are all on the same page.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

500 words max. But yes... I see the flaw LOL...

..just a little ..('special' exceptions will apply..)..should do it I think...

[fingers]

Just print the rules and penalties and STICK to them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Tbh, the last time the rules were updated were when I did them last and that was probably a good couple years back. They could probably do with a review/update soon just so everybody can reread them and so that everybody mods,admin and members are all on the same page.

That's true Ben... Edit them down too. As a writer you know people switch off when stuff's wordy. The bones are all there though. I was warned for something and told I was supposed to read and understand the rules, and yet what my warning was over appeared nowhere in the rules. It's maddening! It would be good on all sides if they were sharpened up a bit.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..just a little ..('special' exceptions will apply..)..should do it I think...

No dots allowed in appeals either..............................

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's true Ben... Edit them down too. As a writer you know people switch off when stuff's wordy. The bones are all there though. I was warned for something and told I was supposed to read and understand the rules, and yet what my warning was over appeared nowhere in the rules. It's maddening! It would be good on all sides if they were sharpened up a bit.



No dots allowed in appeals either..............................

I do agree the rules needs to be redone and made more simple to understand but then saying that, there is no way at all that we could put in every possible rule break scenario, the rules would end up needing an entire forum of their own if we did.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

I do agree the rules needs to be redone and made more simple to understand but then saying that, there is no way at all that we could put in every possible rule break scenario, the rules would end up needing an entire forum of their own if we did.

I agree with that. But most people know what they're doing when they step over the line. The current rules could be a third of the length and say just as much.