[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
I know that you hate me stating facts when they cannot be proved as being so.

If they can't be proven, then they are not facts are they?

A minority can always come on a forum and say that they know a celebrity and know that they are decent and honest generally and wouldn't be a certain way.

If a member joined this forum and said that, I would

(1) disbelieve that they do know that person.

(2) disbelieve that, even if they do know that person, maybe their judgement of that person is wrong.

This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.

Fine, but your posts certainly indicate that you do know Jade. And when people ask you for clarification, you dodge the issue. This makes it seem like you have something to hide.

Jade Goody I feel, is not good at dealing with this sort of situation. She was faced with this media frenzy and also, this mass hatred and did whatever she could to help those that had been offended.

I agree that she is not good at dealing with this kind of situation. But I think she just did what she could to help herself. If she really wanted to help, she could have cooperated with the police - but she refused to.

She has advisors, who will be telling Jade what she should do and more than likely, Jade was worried about what may happen to her children in school and anywhere else.

Advisors could be giving her possibilities of what could happen, if she doesn't do everything to show others how nice she really is.

Her 'advisors' will be trying to make out that she is a nice person really. That doesn't mean that she actually is a nice person.

Jade Goody has come over quite well on other shows, many are available to see on Youtube.com and for others who remember Jade on other shows, will see a different side.

That would be the side of her that bullied Sophie in BB3, that bullied Rik Waller, yes?

Nobody can prove that Jade is exactly what you see on three reality shows

And you can't prove that she isn't exactly what we have seen on the three shows.

But whatever the answer is, Jade Goody has done more to prove to those who were offended, than the other two put together.

If you expected or wanted Jade to just do nothing and keep all the cash and hide away into obscurity.

It will never, ever happen.

From what we see in the whole media, India, Priory, proves it as much as can be proved

Done as much to save her career as possible you mean. Surely you can't be using her stint in the Priory to back up your arguments? She was in there less than a week!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I know that you hate me stating facts when they cannot be proved as being so.

That is always the trouble with any debate.

A minority can always come on a forum and say that they know a celebrity and know that they are decent and honest generally and wouldn't be a certain way.

If a member joined this forum and said that, I would

(1) disbelieve that they do know that person.

(2) disbelieve that, even if they do know that person, maybe their judgement of that person is wrong.

This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.

Critisize me as much as you like. I want critisism, so I can clarify things more. It makes a good debate and a good read, plus, if we can't agree, then we can only agree to differ.

Thats waffle, first you will not say whether you know her or not, then say you want criticism so that you can 'clarify' things.

You haven't actually said anything. Please stop waffling it only fills up space and waste my time reading it. Stay on topic and make a point.

Jade Goody I feel, is not good at dealing with this sort of situation. She was faced with this media frenzy and also, this mass hatred and did whatever she could to help those that had been offended.

She has advisors, who will be telling Jade what she should do and more than likely, Jade was worried about what may happen to her children in school and anywhere else.

Advisors could be giving her possibilities of what could happen, if she doesn't do everything to show others how nice she really is.

Are you saying she's a puppet? I find that hard to believe. Did her PR team earn all her money for her? If she doesn't want to do something I'm sure she can put her foot down.

Jade Goody has come over quite well on other shows, many are available to see on Youtube.com and for others who remember Jade on other shows, will see a different side.

Jade Goody will have a side which will be seen on Big Brother and the bad arguments are what we remember. There was plenty of nice stuff shown too. But we just forget about that, all we saw was the nasty stuff and only judge her from that.

Nobody can prove that Jade is exactly what you see on three reality shows

More waffle. Try to actually say something.

But whatever the answer is, Jade Goody has done more to prove to those who were offended, than the other two put together.

You've finally said something. I think Daniell has had better tactics. Jade's tactics seem like a PR machine going into overdrive and it smacks of damage limitation.

If you expected or wanted Jade to just do nothing and keep all the cash and hide away into obscurity.

It will never, ever happen.

From what we see in the whole media, India, Priory, proves it as much as can be proved

Proves nothing I'm afraid. Also, why not 'hide away into obscurity'? Jade has enough money to 'hide away' why crave the limelight. Surely it gives people like me more ammuntion.

Edit: Dammit, Ruth got there first.

[lily.]

FFS.... I can't be arzed reading that...

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Diablo
I couldn't beleive when i found out she was a candidate for mum of the year..

What next?? Jackiey gran of the year..

Maybe it's because of how passionately she showed us in that News Of The World interview.

She was crying for her children's safety, just like a true a loving mother should do.

The "Material World" comment is true.

We do live in one.

Owning some of Britney Spears's hair, is definately materialistic.

[Diablo]

she was that concerend about her kids safety that she went swanning off to every newspaper & magazine interview, every TV appearance and then to India, while her kids were with someone else.

[lily.]

She's a wanksta.. let's face it...

[Diablo]

LOL.. wanksta!!

[lily.]

I tell it like it is Laura..

[Diablo]

this is wankstas paradise.. lol

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
I tell it like it is Laura..

As it is or as you see it?

[lily.]

Both

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Diablo
she was that concerend about her kids safety that she went swanning off to every newspaper & magazine interview, every TV appearance and then to India, while her kids were with someone else.

Jade would have received advise from her advisors and everyone else who is in the Jade-Camp.

She pays them well and they have to do their job.

It is natural that a mother would be afraid for her children. That is very understandable.

Jade Goody would want to stay with her children, but, she is a career woman and has a family and a career too.

This kind of comment, whereby people expect celebrities to stay at home all the time with their children and give up their career is very selfish.

Jade would naturally love to stay with her children all the time, but her career was important to her and coming on the Big Brother show again and leaving her children at home is not unusual for someone with a celebrity status.

Jade has said that she went to India and everything else she has done is for her children first and safety for herself and her family too.

She said she is not bothered about her career and this is not her ulterior motive

It makes sense to me and I would say, that it makes sense to any mother who loves their children.

It is time to let Jade Goody get on with her life and, if she does get a revamp of her career, "even better too".

[lily.]

Ok, so in one breath, she's a "career woman" and in another breath "she is not bothered about her career". Which is it?

[lily.]

Incidentally, I'm a mother who loves my children. I don't drop them with nannies while I swan around doing sod-all though.

[Diablo]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

This kind of comment, whereby people expect celebrities to stay at home all the time with their children and give up their career is very selfish.

You will have to point out to me where I said I expect her to give up her career and stay home all the time??

If I went in BB and was away from my kids for any length of time, i'd make spending time with them a priority, over the 'please feel sorry for me' routine

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
Ok, so in one breath, she's a "career woman" and in another breath "she is not bothered about her career". Which is it?

Agreed. He seems to waffle out the same factless garbage over and over again.

[lily.]

Oh, I assumed it was a "she"

my bad!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
Ok, so in one breath, she's a "career woman" and in another breath "she is not bothered about her career". Which is it?

She was bothered about her career, before this Big Brother January incident

Now, she says that she is placing her children and her family first.

This is due to the fear of possible acts of violence or intimidation to any one of Jade's family. That is the MOST important priority and nobody should ever wish that!

There are no facts that this could happen, but Jade is not taking any chances.

I would'nt blame her either..

_______________________________________

If this all blows over and Jade does get a revamp of her career in time-to-come? Jade may pursue it.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
Incidentally, I'm a mother who loves my children. I don't drop them with nannies while I swan around doing sod-all though.

Are you a celebrity?

That is not "swanning around".

[lily.]

Yeah, I'm a celebrity. I'm world famous in my living room. And, she fecking is swanning around... leaving her children with someone else. She needs to just crawl under a rock. She's a nothing, and a nobody.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Agreed. He seems to waffle out the same factless garbage over and over again.

It is called a forum.

We debate!

I have said that part about "fact's" & "speculation" previously in this thread.

Very explanatory, "to the best that I can"

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
Yeah, I'm a celebrity. I'm world famous in my living room. And, she fecking is swanning around... leaving her children with someone else. She needs to just crawl under a rock. She's a nothing, and a nobody.

You don't like Jade Goody then?

[lily.]

I never did like her. She's a tw@t.

[lily.]

And, are you getting paid to handle her publicity?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Diablo

You will have to point out to me where I said I expect her to give up her career and stay home all the time??

If I went in BB and was away from my kids for any length of time, i'd make spending time with them a priority, over the 'please feel sorry for me' routine

The reason I said that, was, because you accused Jade of swanning off to interviews and to India, etc.. Instead of spending time with her children.

Many celebrities do go around doing many interviews and the like and have families too.

You could say that they are all swanning around.

Luckily Jade Goody lives in the UK

If she was in the USA, doing interviews means plenty of long journeys, you know how big the USA is.

Madonna has children and has a very busy career and babysitters too. Are you going to blame them all, "mothers" that is?