[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Withano

Some say entertainment show, others say reality show. Big Brother fans need to realise that people consider various factors before deciding a winner.

Surely it's difficult to consider a HM as a possible winner when they've hardly done anything, nice or otherwise?

Liz gets accused of being boring (by me too) but she's been far more visible on this show than Sam .

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Surely it's difficult to consider a HM as a possible winner when they've hardly done anything, nice or otherwise?
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Says a person who sees it as an entertainment show!.. You need to realise not all BB fans watch it this way, some see it as a reality show, others watch it as a personality contest and will therefore vote differently to you..

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Withano

Says a person who sees it as an entertainment show!.. You need to realise not all BB fans watch it this way, some see it as a reality show, others watch it as a personality contest and will therefore vote differently to you..

Reality show or not, entertainment or that HM doing something to earn the status (whatever that is) of BB winner has to come into the picture, smiling and being friendly to everyone but not getting stuck into the show can't be thought of as a deserving winner...but that's just my opinion.

[Jack_]

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

EDIT: Also yeah it's pretty revolting that she (and Ollie for that matter) had so many votes, but then I'm really not surprised. It's time to scrap the public vote, because they know nothing

[lostalex]

I haven't seen her in weeks. is she still there?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Reality show or not, entertainment or that HM doing something to earn the status (whatever that is) of BB winner has to come into the picture, smiling and being friendly to everyone but not getting stuck into the show can't be thought of as a deserving winner...but that's just my opinion.

Yep. And your opinion is just as valid as the other 2.5million opinions. And they shouldn't be allowed to dictate how you vote either.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I haven't seen her in weeks. is she still there?

May as well not be, absolute waste of money. Nothing worse than a housemate not earning their fee, they should actually have it deducted for being such a ****ing waste of the budget

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

EDIT: Also yeah it's pretty revolting that she (and Ollie for that matter) had so many votes, but then I'm really not surprised. It's time to scrap the public vote, because they know nothing

Totally agree.

Sam winning civilian BB last year after doing naff all for 10 weeks was wrong for the simple fact that he pocketed a lot of money that others who made the show entertaining could have done with and probably would have used the money for good reasons.

Money is at stake here, this isn't just some token title that means nothing for the winner, so the winner should be a deserving one.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Totally agree.

Sam winning civilian BB last year after doing naff all for 10 weeks was wrong for the simple fact that he pocketed a lot of money that others who made the show entertaining could have done with and probably would have used the money for good reasons.

Money is at stake here, this isn't just some token title that means nothing for the winner, so the winner should be a deserving one.

I agree with that too. Similar to the celebrities fees, it's disgusting that the budget is wasted on people that do absolutely ****** all for the show, and it's disgusting in the civilian series that those same kind of people can be rewarded undeservingly with £100k

Maybe they should implement a system where the evictee is determined by social media mentions, that kind of technology is certainly available and would definitely ensure the dispensable ones leave, meaning no damage to the show.

Or alternatively just adopt the US format and be done with it

[Withano]

"Nyuhh I'm on a Big Brother fan page therefore my opinion should mean more than everyone else"

Thats what you all might as well be saying

Some people don't vote the same as you, you will occasionally be outvoted

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

EDIT: Also yeah it's pretty revolting that she (and Ollie for that matter) had so many votes, but then I'm really not surprised. It's time to scrap the public vote, because they know nothing

Casey so doesn't belong on that list, she's nice enough but she would be as irrelevant as Sam/Ollie if she wasn't tied to Lee on night one, she only got airtime because she made a big deal of the Lee thing. Her personality is dull.

Jim might be a big character but he's a pig and doesn't deserve to win either.

The rest...agreed.

[Jack_]

^ well to an extent yes, I believe that people who invest as much time on here and in this show as we do do hold some kind of precedence over casual viewers who watch every so often but just vote for the hell of it, I think we know what's best for the show (and care about it more) than they do, yes

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

^ well to an extent yes, I believe that people who invest as much time on here and in this show as we do do hold some kind of precedence over casual viewers who watch every so often but just vote for the hell of it, I think we know what's best for the show (and care about it more) than they do, yes

Well, you're wrong. A mass vote on winners and evictions are clearly a bigger indication on what the public want to see on the show. You either need to get used to this or complain until the show is over.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Casey so doesn't belong on that list, she's nice enough but she would be as irrelevant as Sam/Ollie if she wasn't tied to Lee on night one, she only got airtime because she made a big deal of the Lee thing. Her personality is dull.

Jim might be a big character but he's a pig and doesn't deserve to win either.

The rest...agreed.

Jim hasn't been a pig in the house, and has put up with a lot of undeserved sh*t in there, so should win.

God, if Luisa and I were in the same house together I'd be up on a murder charge by now...I'd be popular with the GBP tho.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Casey so doesn't belong on that list, she's nice enough but she would be as irrelevant as Sam/Ollie if she wasn't tied to Lee on night one, she only got airtime because she made a big deal of the Lee thing. Her personality is dull.

Jim might be a big character but he's a pig and doesn't deserve to win either.

The rest...agreed.

I agree with that, I wouldn't be elated if she won, she's mid-range for me but she has at least been a part of something. This is how it goes for me:

Best possible winners:
Luisa
Lee
Jasmine (but she's gone)

Good winners:
Jim (I accept what you're saying but I judge them as housemates only and he's been funny and is pissing people off, that's good)
Dappy
Casey

Meh winners:
Linda
Liz

Absolutely ****ing dreadful, worst possible winners:
Sam
Ollie

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well, you're wrong. A mass vote on winners and evictions are clearly a bigger indication on what the public want to see on the show. You either need to get used to this or complain until the show is over.

Nope you're wrong I'm afraid, the casual voters vote on emotional impulse, i.e. 'SHE'S SUCH A ****ING ****** GET THE ****** OUT NOW!!!!!!' in vote to evict (then a few days later complain it's boring and how they're going to switch off) or 'oooooh he's so fit he has to win!!!!!!' or 'he so sweet imma vote for him aw!111 xx' in vote to save, without thinking about what's actually best for the narrative and success of the show, which is what actual dedicated, hardcore fans like people on forums are. You only have to look at the Facebook pages to see people like this, and they are most definitely casuals

Voting on emotional impulse, with your heart and not your head on a show like this is so illogical that I could go on all night about it

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Voting on emotional impulse, with your heart and not your head on a show like this is so illogical that I could go on all night about it

Funny you should mention logic when it comes down to hundreds of thousands of votes vs a couple hundred fans and decide the latter is superior.

[Videostar]

I do think we will get an odd (possibly) unexpected result this time...Lionel was never fav to go yesterday, Liz was fav to go in two evictions but survived.

I could see..............Lee winning.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Funny you should mention logic when it comes down to hundreds of thousands of votes vs a couple hundred fans and decide the latter is superior.

When you can find a way to explain to me how you possibly think this series would be being half as talked about as it has been if it weren't for the likes of Luisa, Lee, Jasmine and Jim, get back to me. Go look around - I don't see Twitter, forums, the press and people out and about talking about Sam and Ollie as much as they are the others, but whatever you say

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I do think we will get an odd (possibly) unexpected result this time...Lionel was never fav to go yesterday, Liz was fav to go in two evictions but survived.

I could see..............Lee winning.

That would be an excellent result. Acted a twat and show shown himself up in spectacularly entertaining fashion

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I do think we will get an odd (possibly) unexpected result this time...Lionel was never fav to go yesterday, Liz was fav to go in two evictions but survived.

I could see..............Lee winning.

Same! But I think its anyone (bar Linda's) game at the moment

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That would be an excellent result. Acted a twat and show shown himself up in spectacularly entertaining fashion

The weird thing is (as much as I dislike him) I wouldn't be that annoyed if he won.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Withano

Same! But I think its anyone (bar Linda's) game at the moment

Agreed.

[Daniel.]

I actually find Liz more entertaining than I do most in there - she's not featured much but when she is she's unintentionally funny and is quite endearing. Same cant be said for Ollie, who I think is hugely overrated, it's mad.

Luisa has been the most consistently entertaining IMO and is the only one who truly deserves it

Dappy hasn't even done that much and is quite overrated too, bit of a tit.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

things can be so tediously black and white with you, Jack, and it's really quite boring.

people. like. different. housemates. for. different. reasons.