[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Zee

I just think how awful it would be to be at school and have other kids making fun of you because your mum's slept with 5 people in one night and it's out there on YouTube for all to see. I don't know anything about my parents' sex lives either as a married couple or before I was born, nor would I want to, and I know that I'd have been devastated if I'd been at school and people knew something about my parents' sex lives that I didn't... I mean it's one thing explaining sex education to an 11 year old but it's another thing to tell them about sex parties, don't you think? Sex education is about teaching children what sex is; and I think Luisa having to explain her past to her daughter is jumping right off the diving board into the deep end, as far as sex education goes...

The name calling would probably come from the children who's parents do the same thing. Name calling her a slag, *****, slut etc.. That type of judgemental bahaviour is learned.

[Munchkins]

Plus would they actually make fun of her?? ive never seen other peoples parents even been brought up once, as an argument etc
The whole arguments just relying on hypotheticals completely, so theres no real point to it

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

At the age of 10/11 thats when sex education is taught in schools though, sometimes its more embarassing for kids to have a lack of knowledge, when they become the only one in a class to not know a certain sex term, or not know what this means etc, thats often more humiliating for the child, than knowing all the details
I know at my secondary school, the kids who didnt know much, always had to pretend they did etc

I'm all for informative sex education.. My daughter started hers last year when she was 8/9.. Some conversations we had about it were slightly amusing and cringey though. She came home shouting "I know what you did!! There was no little egg that just grew in your tummy"

Anyhow.. I'm not really meaning luisas daughter being educated about sex.. That's normal; I'm talking about either her mum or some nasty little kids having to tell her that her mum enjoys sleeping around with both men and women and obviously does so without any emotions or feelings towards the men/women.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

I just think how awful it would be to be at school and have other kids making fun of you because your mum's slept with 5 people in one night and it's out there on YouTube for all to see. I don't know anything about my parents' sex lives either as a married couple or before I was born, nor would I want to, and I know that I'd have been devastated if I'd been at school and people knew something about my parents' sex lives that I didn't... I mean it's one thing explaining sex education to an 11 year old but it's another thing to tell them about sex parties, don't you think? Sex education is about teaching children what sex is; and I think Luisa having to explain her past to her daughter is jumping right off the diving board into the deep end, as far as sex education goes...

Well put Greg.

[Z]

Originally Posted by MrWong

The name calling would probably come from the children who's parents do the same thing. Name calling her a slag, *****, slut etc.. That type of judgemental bahaviour is learned.

Possibly, but I think a huge part of being 11-14 years old is asserting yourself over other people which is why there's a lot of bullying at that age in schools, because people will look for any reason to make others feel excluded in order to validate their own inclusivity in a particular group - easy targets are always the kids who look different (weight, height, appearance based things like braces, glasses, hair colour, an unusual feature etc) and as they get closer to 14 years old the insults get more cocky and based around sex ("your mum's a ____" type comments) so I'd say any child of a celebrity behaving badly is at risk of being bullied at that age; because if there's documented evidence of their behaviour then it can be used against those children. It's why I think Dappy, Lee and Luisa are all terrible role models to their children.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

Plus would they actually make fun of her?? ive never seen other peoples parents even been brought up once, as an argument etc
The whole arguments just relying on hypotheticals completely, so theres no real point to it

What someone elses mum said on a reality TV show years ago will clearly be on all their minds.

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I'm all for informative sex education.. My daughter started hers last year when she was 8/9.. Some conversations we had about it were slightly amusing and cringey though. She came home shouting "I know what you did!! There was no little egg that just grew in your tummy"

Anyhow.. I'm not really meaning luisas daughter being educated about sex.. That's normal; I'm talking about either her mum or some nasty little kids having to tell her that her mum enjoys sleeping around with both men and women and obviously does so without any emotions or feelings towards the men/women.

When my mum told me everything i still assumed the baby come out of the bellybutton

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

When my mum told me everything i still assumed the baby come out of the bellybutton

Yes, so did my daughter.. Although I didn't totally make it up as I had 2 c-sections

She was appalled to learn where she had come from!! Lol

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zee

I just think how awful it would be to be at school and have other kids making fun of you because your mum's slept with 5 people in one night and it's out there on YouTube for all to see. I don't know anything about my parents' sex lives either as a married couple or before I was born, nor would I want to, and I know that I'd have been devastated if I'd been at school and people knew something about my parents' sex lives that I didn't... I mean it's one thing explaining sex education to an 11 year old but it's another thing to tell them about sex parties, don't you think? Sex education is about teaching children what sex is; and I think Luisa having to explain her past to her daughter is jumping right off the diving board into the deep end, as far as sex education goes...

..yeah but some people would die on the spot if their parents ever mentioned sex, let alone in reference to their own sex lives because they would probably rather think that their parents had never had sex...I know that's an exaggeration but you know what I mean..and that's fine too because everyone is different and I think sex in general can be a very 'sensitive' thing to talk about because it is so personal ..but others are totally open about it in every way and even with their children and whether we think that's the right thing to be or not, it doesn't make it right or wrong to do it, just that we wouldn't personally do...on the flipside and slightly off topic, it can be just as unimaginable to think that your child would have sex because they're your child, you wouldn't even want to think that and I personally don't want to know any details about my sons' sex lives but that's fine because they don't want to discuss it either..but if they wanted to talk to me about it, I would listen and not judge them for it..(just give my thoughts about stuff..) but inevitably they are them and not me and have to be themselves, not an extension of me or live the same life that I live...and I do know of other parents whose children discuss details of their sex life with them because that's just what they do, everyone is different... Luisa is a mother, yes but she's also a woman and a person in her own right and her sex life is completely up to her and how she discusses that with her daughter is completely up to her as well...just like with what people said about Jim, it's discussing things in the house, which is how people personally judge her sexual activities that she's mentioned but beyond that and any effects on her daughter are just speculation so there isn't anything to judge anyway...

[Jack_]

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become

[Z]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

What someone elses mum said on a reality TV show years ago will clearly be on all their minds.

Chances are somebody will know that Luisa is vaguely famous, if not the kids themselves then their parents may well be Big Brother viewers and somebody would say something it'd somehow all come out. It's a very likely scenario. Somebody might Google "Luisa Zissman", people will likely know about her businesses if her daughter ever mentions it, there are so many ways somebody might stumble across the videos where Luisa's sex life is discussed.

[Jake.]

It's not like Luisa's daughter is going to grow up with people from the age of, say, my generation, who have watched The Apprentice and this years CBB. I really cannot see kids (who right now are the age of three) bringing up Luisa's comments infront of her daughter and bullying her for it, if anything her daughter will probably just be known as the girl with the 'famous' mum.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

It's not like Luisa's daughter is going to grow up with people from the age of, say, my generation, who have watched The Apprentice and this years CBB. I really cannot see kids (who right now are the age of three) bringing up Luisa's comments infront of her daughter and bullying her for it, if anything her daughter will probably just be known as the girl with the 'famous' mum.

If there was no such thing as YouTube and the likes, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately having a famous mum means she WILL be googled etc.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Lee.

If there was no such thing as YouTube and the likes, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately having a famous mum means she WILL be googled etc.

This^

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I've been having sex for years. I've never felt the need to tell people about any of my sexual experiences, I don't attend sex parties and allow numerous men to shag me in one night, I've never tried to seek attention by acting in a sexual way or simulating sex or kissing other women. I am not a skank, she is.

that's your opinion!.

[sampvt]

OMG reading back on some of these posts, I am glad I was brought up in the 60,s. Whats the world going to be like when the kids of today are parents themselves. This is why family virtues are a thing of the past these days judging by what I am seeing on the news and the tabloids.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

It will change though, just as attitudes towards things like homosexuality are becoming much more open generation by generation, so will things like this. Slowly but surely people are going to realise that what other people do in their sex lives has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with anyone else and are going to adopt similar 'live and let live' attitudes, it will happen...not overnight, but I say 20/30 years and we'll be in a lot better situation than we are now, and I was going to make a post earlier actually saying I can't wait until then when the majority of people will adopt these kind of liberal beliefs and the generations that don't will have faded out

The more 'abnormal' issues are discussed and put into the populations conscience, the more things become normalised. That's the way you defeat bullying, by normalising abnormal issues, the less there are the less bullies have to pick on - but I really think that laying the blame at the feet of people who talk about these 'abnormal' issues is vindicating those who bully, taking a 'well we won't do that in case they get bullied' doesn't help any cause at all, because you're just proving that it is something that shouldn't be spoken about because it's not normal

The more homosexuality is brought into the public eye, the more people started to care less, the same will happen with other issues

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It will change though, just as attitudes towards things like homosexuality are becoming much more open generation by generation, so will things like this. Slowly but surely people are going to realise that what other people do in their sex lives has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with anyone else and are going to adopt similar 'live and let live' attitudes, it will happen...not overnight, but I say 20/30 years and we'll be in a lot better situation than we are now, and I was going to make a post earlier actually saying I can't wait until then when the majority of people will adopt these kind of liberal beliefs and the generations that don't will have faded out

The more 'abnormal' issues are discussed and put into the populations conscience, the more things become normalised. That's the way you defeat bullying, by normalising abnormal issues, the less there are the less bullies have to pick on - but I really think that laying the blame at the feet of people who talk about these 'abnormal' issues is vindicating those who bully, taking a 'well we won't do that in case they get bullied' doesn't help any cause at all, because you're just proving that it is something that shouldn't be spoken about because it's not normal

The more homosexuality is brought into the public eye, the more people started to care less, the same will happen with other issues

Jack, why have you decided to fly the rainbow flag on this post. Please stay on topic.

[Ammi]

..I agree that her daughter will most likely find out about everything if she doesn't know already but the assumption is that it will or could have a negative effect on her life, which isn't necessarily so, it could have no effect at all.. so it's a bit like crossing a bridge that hasn't presented itself and also, we are all 'everyday' people and not celebrities whose lives are scrutinised closely anyway by the media so there is also a good chance that they would have revealed this all anyway at some point/we can't really associate their lives to ours from that point of view..

[Jack_]

I'm glad I was brought up in the 90s/00's, an era where attitudes to homosexuality were liberalised, racism is almost a universally condemned issue, women are having careers and sexist attitudes towards them are being raised and discussed, attitudes towards sex and sexuality are somewhat more 'live and let live' than they were before. I'm sure plenty agree

The only thing I can actually complain about is the economy, as far as social issues go it's not been too bad

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jack, why have you decided to fly the rainbow flag on this post. Please stay on topic.

Please stop baiting

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm glad I was brought up in the 90s/00's, an era where attitudes to homosexuality were liberalised, racism is almost a universally condemned issue, women are having careers and sexist attitudes towards them are being raised and discussed, attitudes towards sex and sexuality are somewhat more 'live and let live' than they were before. I'm sure plenty agree

The only thing I can actually complain about is the economy, as far as social issues go it's not been too bad

Here here.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

your part of the problem, giving people who sleep around a bad name!.
your the type to point the finger.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Please stop baiting

How the hell am I baiting. The thread has nothing at all to do with Homosexuality, its about a hetro sexual party. Please don't play that card.