[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Why were you dying to know? I don't get it.

Because I'm a curious soul,some would say nosey cow,I am interested in people I like, and like to find out about their lives.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I wouldn't, if someone was bi-sexual. I'd have asked if he had anyone special on the outside.

Nothing wrong with that question in my opinion.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

He's the same Jim he always was. Funny, caring, grumpy at times but down to earth and real. That's why so many people like him. Including all the female housemate's mums - Sam's, Casey's and yes - even Luisa's!

Seems that everyone else can see him for the decent bloke he is - apart from a few like Linda and yourself who refuse to see any good in him no matter what he does. But as you say - a leopard never changes it's spots.

Is he hellaslike ,why say something that can be proven to be wrong ?

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Is he hellaslike ,why say something that can be proven to be wrong ?

You're clutching at straws now, all because the HM you don't like is getting more and more popular.

We all saw the last 2 shows where the mums had love and compliments for Jim. What show have you been watching?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

You're clutching at straws now, all because the HM you don't like is getting more and more popular.

We all saw the last 2 shows where the mums had love and compliments for Jim. What show have you been watching?

Not the same one as you ,thats for sure

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Because I'm a curious soul,some would say nosey cow,I am interested in people I like, and like to find out about their lives.

I'd already got a strong impression from watching the show that Ollie is single.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I'd already got a strong impression from watching the show that Ollie is single.

I'de never even hear of him or seen him,so I was curious about his life style,nothing wrong with that imo.he's a good looking guy and I thought the ladies would be flocking round him,but that wasn't so,so it made me wonder if he had someone on the outside.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I'd already got a strong impression from watching the show that Ollie is single.

Jim added "if you don't mind me asking". If Ollie didn't want to answer he would have told him it was too personal. But he said it was fine.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not the same one as you ,thats for sure

Ok. Let's run with your logic here.

So in your mind - Sam's, Casey's and Luisa's mums never came in the house through the clock and gave love and compliments to Jim.

Only I saw that ???

I take my hat off to you for daring to write such a fantastic well thought out post as that one

[Parmy]

I bet linda gave her boosoms a ginormous plumping at that one.

[Seraphim]

I don't really understand why some people cannot accept that everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses. I absolutely adore my dad, but I have to admit that he is very bigoted in many ways, although he's clever enough to cover it extremely well. There's nothing wrong with being a "fan" of Jim, and also recognising that he has flaws. You can laugh at his jokes, while realising they're in poor taste. And you should be able to divine when his behaviour or comments towards another person are out of place, tasteless or downright offensive.

After Lee's eviction, Jim spoke in a tone of authority to Casey, and told her to sit beside her. Casey did as she was told, like a dutiful child, and Jim placed his arm around her shoulders. That worried me. Casey didn't appear to need comfort from anyone and I think Jim just did it because he knew the cameras would be on Casey. There's nothing wrong with him wanting to be on the camera, but I didn't like the note of authority in his voice when he spoke to Casey.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I don't really understand why some people cannot accept that everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses. I absolutely adore my dad, but I have to admit that he is very bigoted in many ways, although he's clever enough to cover it extremely well. There's nothing wrong with being a "fan" of Jim, and also recognising that he has flaws. You can laugh at his jokes, while realising they're in poor taste. And you should be able to divine that when his behaviour or comments towards another person are out of place, tasteless or downright offensive.

After Lee's eviction, Jim spoke in a tone of authority to Casey, and told her to sit beside her. Casey did as she was told, like a dutiful child, and Jim placed his arm around her shoulders. That worried me. Casey didn't appear to need comfort from anyone and I think Jim just did it because he knew the cameras would be on Casey. There's nothing wrong with him wanting to be on the camera, but I didn't like the note of authority in his voice when he spoke to Casey.

There's nothing wrong with that. He just wanted to comfort her. Why everyone sees anything that Jim does as sinister? He's just a nomal guy.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I don't really understand why some people cannot accept that everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses. I absolutely adore my dad, but I have to admit that he is very bigoted in many ways, although he's clever enough to cover it extremely well. There's nothing wrong with being a "fan" of Jim, and also recognising that he has flaws. You can laugh at his jokes, while realising they're in poor taste. And you should be able to divine that when his behaviour or comments towards another person are out of place, tasteless or downright offensive.

After Lee's eviction, Jim spoke in a tone of authority to Casey, and told her to sit beside her. Casey did as she was told, like a dutiful child, and Jim placed his arm around her shoulders. That worried me. Casey didn't appear to need comfort from anyone and I think Jim just did it because he knew the cameras would be on Casey. There's nothing wrong with him wanting to be on the camera, but I didn't like the note of authority in his voice when he spoke to Casey.

Peoples minds work differently I guess,I took that as a comforting thing as Lee had left,I don't think "Oh he's being creepy" I think "Aw that was nice" why does everything seem to have a sexual undertone with some people?My stepdad also says some things that people would be deemed close to the edge,but it doesn't make him a bad person,just an old fashioned one.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There's nothing wrong with that. He just wanted to comfort her. Why everyone sees anything that Jim does as sinister? He's just a nomal guy.

No one can touch anyone anymore unless they have an ulterior motive.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There's nothing wrong with that. He just wanted to comfort her. Why everyone sees anything that Jim does as sinister? He's just a nomal guy.

Well, I don't think he's a normal guy, actually. I've met thousands of men in my life, in all different capacities, and none would have behaved like that towards Casey. I dated a guy who made a couple of sexual jokes to me after a couple of dates, despite otherwise being a perfect gentleman, and I broke it off, because I didn't want to be put in the position of either grinning and bearing it in public, or having to embarrass him in public by calling him out for it. When I explained the reason I was calling it off he told me that every single girlfriend he'd had said the same thing. His only real relationship had been a six month affair with a married woman he'd met at a party and had sex with in a cupboard the same night. Just about all the women he knew utterly despised him.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I don't really understand why some people cannot accept that everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses. I absolutely adore my dad, but I have to admit that he is very bigoted in many ways, although he's clever enough to cover it extremely well. There's nothing wrong with being a "fan" of Jim, and also recognising that he has flaws. You can laugh at his jokes, while realising they're in poor taste. And you should be able to divine that when his behaviour or comments towards another person are out of place, tasteless or downright offensive.

After Lee's eviction, Jim spoke in a tone of authority to Casey, and told her to sit beside her. Casey did as she was told, like a dutiful child, and Jim placed his arm around her shoulders. That worried me. Casey didn't appear to need comfort from anyone and I think Jim just did it because he knew the cameras would be on Casey. There's nothing wrong with him wanting to be on the camera, but I didn't like the note of authority in his voice when he spoke to Casey.

He used her ,but some claimed "Wasnt he lovely with Casey ?" NO he was using her and knowing his history having a quick grope at the same time ,as you point out ,shes wasnt upset in the slightest, but hes canvassing ,its like watching Cameron holding babies in the run up to the general election

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There's nothing wrong with that. He just wanted to comfort her. Why everyone sees anything that Jim does as sinister? He's just a nomal guy.

Hes hardly even spoken to her ,so why would he "comfort her?" she didnt give a flying chuff that Lee left

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hes hardly even spoken to her ,so why would he "comfort her?" she didnt give a flying chuff that Lee left

We must be watching a different show then.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Well, I don't think he's a normal guy, actually. I've met thousands of men in my life, in all different capacities, and none would have behaved like that towards Casey. I dated a guy who made a couple of sexual jokes to me after a couple of dates, despite otherwise being a perfect gentleman, and I broke it off, because I didn't want to be put in the position of either grinning and bearing it in public, or having to embarrass him in public by calling him out for it. When I explained the reason I was calling it off he told me that every single girlfriend he'd had said the same thing. The guy's only real relationship had been a six month affair with a married woman he'd met at a party and had sex with in a cupboard the same night. Just about all the women he knew utterly despised him.

I don't agree at all. Sorry.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Well, I don't think he's a normal guy, actually. I've met thousands of men in my life, in all different capacities, and none would have behaved like that towards Casey. I dated a guy who made a couple of sexual jokes to me after a couple of dates, despite otherwise being a perfect gentleman, and I broke it off, because I didn't want to be put in the position of either grinning and bearing it in public, or having to embarrass him in public by calling him out for it. When I explained the reason I was calling it off he told me that every single girlfriend he'd had said the same thing. The guy's only real relationship had been a six month affair with a married woman he'd met at a party and had sex with in a cupboard the same night. Just about all the women he knew utterly despised him.

Bringing your own personal feelings into a discussion is not healthy. Linda showed her personal experience card in the house and she got oiked very quickly. Being blinded by prejudices isn't healthy as well we all know and therein lies the reason for your inability to see what Jims all about.

If you could put aside your hatred for men you would see Jims aims are plausible and lovable at the same time. My old dad used to say....Let not one man suffer for another mans failings.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He used her ,but some claimed "Wasnt he lovely with Casey ?" NO he was using her and knowing his history having a quick grope at the same time ,as you point out ,shes wasnt upset in the slightest, but hes canvassing ,its like watching Cameron holding babies in the run up to the general election

My feelings entirely.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by MrWong

This thread is showing how desperate the 'anti-Jim' posters have gotten!
I remember George Formby saying this line in an old 1930's movie. I can't remember anyone thinking that it was anything more than 'Humorous' then!...Get a sense of humour Wong...it was an old JOKE!

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Bringing your own personal feelings into a discussion is not healthy. Linda showed her personal experience card in the house and she got oiked very quickly. Being blinded by prejudices isn't healthy as well we all know and therein lies the reason for your inability to see what Jims all about.

If you could put aside your hatred for men you would see Jims aims are plausible and lovable at the same time. My old dad used to say....Let not one man suffer for another mans failings.

I wasn't bringing my personal feelings into it. I liked him. I was in love with him, to be honest. I only broke it off because I didn't want to embarrass him in public when I pulled him up for making humilating, sexual jokes at my expense in front of whoever else was there. I'd have been mortified if it had been my parents.

I brought everyone else's feelings into it: all the women absolutely despised him. One of the kindest, nicest women I have ever known seemingly said "I'd have thought she'd have more taste." when she heard we were dating. She was right. He put on a nice gentleman act initially with me so I'd go out with him. The act slipped after a couple of dates, in spite of the fact that we were still at the holding hands and cuddling stage.

I still like him very much and when we split up, I said he'd find someone who loved him completely the way he was. I just wasn't right for him.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I don't really understand why some people cannot accept that everyone has their strengths and their weaknesses. I absolutely adore my dad, but I have to admit that he is very bigoted in many ways,

That'll do for me, he sounds a smashing bloke, get him in the next civilian series...i'll join his fanclub!

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I wasn't bringing my personal feelings into it. I liked him. I dated him, and I only broke it off because I didn't want to embarrass him in public when I pulled him up for making humilating, sexual jokes at my expense in front of whoever else was there. I'd have been mortified if it had been my parents.

I brought everyone else's feelings into it: all the women absolutely despised him. One of the kindest, nicest women I have ever known seemingly said "I'd have thought she'd have more taste." when she heard we were dating. She was right. He put on a nice gentleman act initially with me, so I was fooled into thinking he was a nice guy. The act slipped after a couple of dates, in spite of the fact that we were still at the holding hands and cuddling stage.

I still like him very much and when we split up, I said he'd find someone who loved him completely the way he was. I just wasn't right for him.

I don't want to make this personal but you opened the door. I dated a woman once that didn't like holding hands in public. Does this mean all women are frigid. I think not. Jim is an old fashioned comedian and is loved by Millions, your analogy comes from a personal basis, not a generalisation which we should all be governed by. If you are to measure Jims actions by the actions of another, the end result comes out as a personal opinion based on issues that are not relevant. I make sexual jokes and ridicule my wife all the time, as she does me but we have been married for 42 years and are very very happy and in love. I guess we possess the ability to forgive and forget and apply common sence most of the time.