[smeagol]

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/110...fits_were_cut/

2nd one to die this week that i know of. as i said before what cameron is doing is no different than h hitler trying to kill of the weak and the poor.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smeagol

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/110...fits_were_cut/

2nd one to die this week that i know of. as i said before what cameron is doing is no different than h hitler trying to kill of the weak and the poor.

Sorry smeagol,but I don't think you can blame this solely on Cameron.Where were his carers,family etc?

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Sorry smeagol,but I don't think you can blame this solely on Cameron.Where were his carers,family etc?

They were busy invading Poland.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

They were busy invading Poland.

Well they should be ashamed of themselves,surely though someone should have picked up on this,I find it a bit strange.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well they should be ashamed of themselves,surely though someone should have picked up on this,I find it a bit strange.

Did you not read the article?

They sent him £250 when they found out he had lost his benefits but they only found out a few weeks before he passed. The guy suffered with so many personal, mental health conditions that he had already become majorly ill.

Not everyone can depend on mammy and daddy and neither expect to also not everyones parents can afford to pay their own and someone elses rent.

[arista]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Did you not read the article?

They sent him £250 when they found out he had lost his benefits but the guy suffered with so many personal, mental health conditions that he had already become majorly ill.

Really dumb comment to make, not everyone can depend on mammy and daddy and neither expect to also not everyones parents can afford to pay their own and someone elses rent.

Bang On Right
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[Josy]

Poor guy.

ATOS are absolutely pathetic as are the DWP, they never ever contact claimants own doctors that have been dealing with them and treating their illnesses for years and who would know without a doubt whether their own patients were capable for work or not, instead opting to go with their own staff opinion's when most of the time these people doing the medicals aren't even proper fully qualified doctors, even after all these inquests and enquiries into them why the hell are they still insisting on using them?

[Kate!]

I heard on the grapevine that ATOS has been scrapped, I'll look for a link.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

I heard on the grapevine that ATOS has been scrapped, I'll look for a link.

I see this at the bottom of that article

What ATOS does
•Atos undertakes benefits assessments for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) called work capability assessments – most people are re-assessed once a year. The DWP then makes a decision based on Atos recommendations.
•Over the last few weeks protests have been held outside more than 100 Atos centres including its Oxford offices in St Aldate’s.
•Last week Atos revealed it wanted to quit its £500m Government contract early because of threats made to its staff.
•Yesterday, it was reported in several national newspapers that Atos staff have been told to leave all current employment and support allowance claimants on their benefit, without repeat medical checks, until another company can be found to do assessments.

[Josy]

If that's the case though and another company is brought in it will just be the exact same in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they just renamed ATOS to something else.

If your own doctors states that you are unfit to work then that should be the end of it IMO.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Did you not read the article?

They sent him £250 when they found out he had lost his benefits but they only found out a few weeks before he passed. The guy suffered with so many personal, mental health conditions that he had already become majorly ill.

Not everyone can depend on mammy and daddy and neither expect to also not everyones parents can afford to pay their own and someone elses rent.

That's the biggest problem with the powers that be. cameron and co is they seem to think people have support. because they did. when that's not the case, its the same with the age rulues he is enforcing for the young.
The people who have no one or family who cant help will be most effected. which is the very people who need help the most.

[joeysteele]

I lay part of the blame for these sad incidents at the door of the Govt.
When David Cameron appointed as work and pensions secretary a failed, heartless and arrogant individual as Ian Duncan Smith it is only to be expected.

Ian Duncan Smith dismisses any warnings from carers and organisations as simply not the case and he goes on pursuing relentlessly his really heartless and cowardly attack on the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable in society.
Especially the genuinely sick and disabled too then these incidents will keep happening.

How and why this heartless and poorest excuse for a politician remains to have any power at all over peoples lives and incomes is totally beyond me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by smeagol

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/110...fits_were_cut/

2nd one to die this week that i know of. as i said before what cameron is doing is no different than h hitler trying to kill of the weak and the poor.

It is different and its a rather silly and hysterical comparison

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Did you not read the article?

They sent him £250 when they found out he had lost his benefits but they only found out a few weeks before he passed. The guy suffered with so many personal, mental health conditions that he had already become majorly ill.

Not everyone can depend on mammy and daddy and neither expect to also not everyones parents can afford to pay their own and someone elses rent.

No need to be calling it a dumb comment because it doesn't suit you,I'm not saying it's not a terrible thing to happen ,of course it is,but he was obviously failed by more people than Cameron which is what the poster suggested and nothing to do with Hitler,I don't even know if he had parents but if he did why weren't they looking after him or making sure he was cared for,was he homeless?where did he live?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No need to be calling it a dumb comment because it doesn't suit you,I'm not saying it's not a terrible thing to happen ,of course it is,but he was obviously failed by more people than Cameron which is what the poster suggested and nothing to do with Hitler,I don't even know if he had parents but if he did why weren't they looking after him or making sure he was cared for,was he homeless?where did he live?

I agree it is very easy to lay the blame at the door of the government, yes it was awful that his benefits were reduced, but given he was such a vulnerable adult was sending him 250.00 as a way of helping him anywhere near enough? why didn't someone intervene on his behalf, why were his family not checking on him to see if he was okay on a weekly basis, though he needed cash he probably needed a bit of proper care more? Why was he on his own if he had all these conditions?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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I agree it is very easy to lay the blame at the door of the government, yes it was awful that his benefits were reduced, but given he was such a vulnerable adult was sending him 250.00 as a way of helping him anywhere near enough? why didn't someone intervene on his behalf, why were his family not checking on him to see if he was okay on a weekly basis, though he needed cash he probably needed a bit of proper care more? Why was he on his own if he had all these conditions?

My thoughts exactly Cherie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

My thoughts exactly Cherie.

it's a pass the buck world now, somehow the government are supposed to play all roles in peoples lives via cash payouts.

[thesheriff443]

this man was living independently, but it seems he had no care plan in place.
atos is is clearly flawed, if he had a care worker, im sure they would of helped his situation.
he would give the cash away that his family would give him, if they kept a closer eye on him maybe they could of helped him.

very sad all round.

[Kizzy]

Care in the community?...
I hope ATOS are on their way out, along with this government ..good riddance

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is different and its a rather silly and hysterical comparison

not silly it all. its all designed to kill of the poor and needy.

its a shame people are so blind as to not see what is going on outside thir own windows.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Cherie

[/B]

I agree it is very easy to lay the blame at the door of the government, yes it was awful that his benefits were reduced, but given he was such a vulnerable adult was sending him 250.00 as a way of helping him anywhere near enough? why didn't someone intervene on his behalf, why were his family not checking on him to see if he was okay on a weekly basis, though he needed cash he probably needed a bit of proper care more? Why was he on his own if he had all these conditions?

The guy has the right to live on his own with the means provided for him.
no compassion there just assume everybody has a family with tons of cash. cameron fan i guess

[joeysteele]

It is the far too severe reforms of the welfare and benefits changes that are now for the first time leaving claimants with nothing at all for weeks as it gets sorted out.
Almost every week,organisations there to help, who have become fewer since this Govts cutbacks too, are warning of these very things happening because the reforms are too hurried and not planned properly.

I myself in the company I work in at present as to Law,have come across people left with nothing,yet still the bills are coming in and rents have to be paid.
I have learned of people being told they are too fit for ESA but not fit enough for Jobseekers allowance.
Meanwhile left with no income until it gets sorted.

Also, some people just get so depressed with it all they just drift away from society and then we get tragedies like the one highlighted in this thread.
Often families don't know their loved ones are even in this fix.

The only people who brought in these reforms are this pathetic excuse for a Govt, with severe and ridiculous testing for fitnss as to work too.
This Govt has been told time and time again by loads of organisations and those caring for people with problems, that massive, and more to the point, unfair and unjust distress is being caused.
They just arrogantly and heartlessly dismiss it and press on regardless.

When the dust settles on these benefit reforms and history judges this Govt as to them,it will be seen as one of the most unjust and heartless acts ever brought into existence.
I am appalled at some of the cases I have come across,they read like nightmares a great many of them.

I really cannot wait for this bunch of arrogant,pompous incompetents to get turfed out in 2015, the alternative may not look a great deal attractive at times but at least they will hopefully have and bring back some compassion to their policies,unlike the parties in this coalition.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is the far too severe reforms of the welfare and benefits changes that are now for the first time elaving claimants with nothing at all for weeks as it gets sorted out.
Almost every week,organisations there to help, who have become fewer since this Govts cutbacks too, are warning of these very things happening becasue the reforms are too hurried and not planned properly.

I myself in the company I work in at present as to Law,have come across people left with nothing,yet still the bills are coming in and rents have to be paid.
I have learned of people being told they are too fit for ESA but not fit enough for Jobseekers allowance.
Meanwhile left with no income until it gets sorted.

Also, some people just get so depressed with it all they just drift away from society and then we get tragedies like the one highlighted in this thread.
Often families don't know their loved ones are even in this fix.

The only people who brought in these reforms are this pathetic excuse for a Govt, with severe and ridiculous testing for fitnss as to work too.
This Govt has been told time and time again by loads of organisations and those caring for people with problems, that massive, and more to the point, unfair and unjust distress is being caused.
They just arrogantly and heartlessly dismiss it and press on regardless.

When the dust settles on these benefit reforms and history judges this Govt as to them,it will be seen as one of the most unjust and heartless acts ever brought into existence.
I am appalled at some of the cases I have come across,they read like nightmares a great many of them.

I really cannot wait for this bunch of arrogant,pompous incompetents to get turfed out in 2015, the alternative may not look a great deal attractive at times but at least they will hopefully have and bring back some compassion to their policies,unlike the parties in this coalition.

I completely agree with this - plus people being pushed down into "their place" for decades so they just lie down and accept what's happening to them mostly peacefully.

"Respect" for authority, fear of consequences, so strong that they over-ride basic survival instinct. If you are genuinely screwed - if you are FACING DEATH - drop off the radar and bloody well TAKE what you want from a society that doesn't care about you. The worst that will happen is prison or death - and you're facing the latter anyway.

[lostalex]

he can't have been that hungry, why didn't he try eating his own limbs? that's what a truly desperate man would have done.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by smeagol

not silly it all. its all designed to kill of the poor and needy.

its a shame people are so blind as to not see what is going on outside thir own windows.

It's typical blaming the victim for circumstances out of their control like a lot of Tories like to do.

Something really does need to be done about ATOS though, it's becoming brutal and from the times I've been in the past only gets worse and worse.