[lostalex]

scientists could come out tomorrow and say that our entire universe is just the dream world of an ant colony in the amazon, and i'd still believe it more than anything any religion had to say.

I know FOR SURE that religion is a lie, i still have some faith in science though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by smeagol

speculation and theory finding any reason to state as fact. a wave is suddenly proof lol
14 billion years ago how do they know that. they cant even determine the age of our own earth history artifacts how things were made done dates and so forth. they cant even find a plane or cure the common cold or cancer that has various strains and waves of its own to work on.
yet behold a guy with a telescope says he knows the creation of the universe lol

cosmic inflation lol could be a billion things a billion reactions to a billion events a billion reasons that arn't even in our mindset. never mind evidence.

good to keep looking but they should really start stating its theory not proof. every proof gets crushed it always does whether its history or science its always turned over.

And yet if you were to end up in hospital with a life threatening disease you would happily gobble up all the drugs that those scientists have developed to keep you alive.

Criticising scientific endeavor to boost your self confidence is never a good idea.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And yet if you were to end up in hospital with a life threatening disease you would happily gobble up all the drugs that those scientists have developed to keep you alive.

Criticising scientific endeavor to boost your self confidence is never a good idea.

some science is great some is a waste of enormous money.....it doesnt mean you cant criticize anything scientific fo fear of losing your medication, what an absurd argeument

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

some science is great some is a waste of enormous money.....it doesnt mean you cant criticize anything scientific fo fear of losing your medication, what an absurd argeument

it's not an absurd argument though, if you believe that God controls of the universe, then only god can save you, so why would you need science if you have God on your side?

and you might say "god is working through my surgeon" but what if your surgeon is an atheist or a muslim, would you allow him/her to work on you? how could god be working through a surgeon who is not your religion, are you saying that god is taking over atheists or muslim bodies against their will? and performing miracles against their will? that seems wrong don't you think? it's like god is using atheist or muslim surgeons as a slave to do his work, does God approve of slavery?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

some science is great some is a waste of enormous money.....it doesnt mean you cant criticize anything scientific fo fear of losing your medication, what an absurd argeument

Its what i thought you would say. The science that directly benefits me and that I can comprehend is great but the stuff I dont get or questions the beliefs i have inherited from my parents is bad.

[lostalex]

I've not seen any compelling evidence for the validity of any religion.

I'll just leave it at that.

but if anyone has any compelling evidence to prove a religion, i'm certainly open to it.

and no, personal anecdotes don't qualify as "compelling evidence", sorry. feeling your grandma's presence, or seeing a butterfly because your grandma loved butterflies, does not count as evidence.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

scientists could come out tomorrow and say that our entire universe is just the dream world of an ant colony in the amazon, and i'd still believe it more than anything any religion had to say.

I know FOR SURE that religion is a lie, i still have some faith in science though.

I agree most science has a good degree of factual evidence to support it ie it is testable, reproduceable and universally agreed.

Whereas organised Religion is just a scam, the mad rantings of mad people who lived over 2,000 years ago in a world that bears no relation to the world we now live in.

And now we have to follow these ludicrous instructions, we have to adopt wierd practices and engage in strange behaviour or eat certain foods because thats what we believe in....??? really show me some proof...any proof...anything at all !!!

[Kazanne]

I don't know if this will help anyone,but I found it fascinating,I was asked once if scientists could make a blade of grass,I didn't know,I said I didn't think they could,I guess this kind of answers that ,although it's a long read it is interesting and offers some different opinions as to whether science is the answer to everything,
http://backtogodhead.in/todays-scien...r-taking-life/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree most science has a good degree of factual evidence to support it ie it is testable, reproduceable and universally agreed.

Whereas organised Religion is just a scam, the mad rantings of mad people who lived over 2,000 years ago in a world that bears no relation to the world we now live in.

And now we have to follow these ludicrous instructions, we have to adopt wierd practices and engage in strange behaviour or eat certain foods because thats what we believe in....??? really show me some proof...any proof...anything at all !!!

People believe aliens exist and life beyond ours without proof,and no one HAS to follow anything,we have a choice.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People believe aliens exist and life beyond ours without proof,and no one HAS to follow anything,we have a choice.

I believe aliens exist, and i believe in UFOs, but i would never condemn or harass or discriminate against someone who does't agree with me. that's the difference.

i would never say that people who don't believe in UFOs should have less rights, or be put in concentration camps, or put in insane asylums and lobotomized just because they don't agree with me about UFOs.\\

Religions have done that to people who don't believe in Jesus though, they have put them in insane asylums and concentration camps, and tortured them, lobotomized them, raped them. especially gay men.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I believe aliens exist, and i believe in UFOs, but i would never condemn or harass or discriminate against someone who does't agree with me. that's the difference.

i would never say that people who don't believe in UFOs should have less rights, or be put in concentration camps, or put in insane asylums and lobotomized just because they don't agree with me about UFOs.\\

Religions have done that to people who don't believe in Jesus though, they have put them in insane asylums and concentration camps, and tortured them, lobotomized them, raped them. especially gay men.

Not everyone who believes is like that though,that's what is objectionable the sweeping generalization ,I believe in God, but would never berate those who don't,we have a choice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not everyone who believes is like that though,that's what is objectionable the sweeping generalization ,I believe in God, but would never berate those who don't,we have a choice.

Were you brought up by parents who believe?

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by the truth

values dont change

Hugh cop-out.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree most science has a good degree of factual evidence to support it ie it is testable, reproduceable and universally agreed.

Whereas organised Religion is just a scam, the mad rantings of mad people who lived over 2,000 years ago in a world that bears no relation to the world we now live in.

And now we have to follow these ludicrous instructions, we have to adopt wierd practices and engage in strange behaviour or eat certain foods because thats what we believe in....??? really show me some proof...any proof...anything at all !!!

Religion is basically superstition. Some people simply need to believe in something and believe that some greater power will protect them if they believe.

Sadly others use it as a way of controlling others, through fear and intimidation. Just your common and garden bully boys.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not everyone who believes is like that though,that's what is objectionable the sweeping generalization ,I believe in God, but would never berate those who don't,we have a choice.

well i think the church is moving in that direction, and i know that the extremists are a minority in the chirstian religion, unfortunately in other religions it's not moving in that direction, in other parts of the world it's moving in the wrong direction. and you have to take accountability when things are done in your name, and it's up to you to speak out against things that are done in the name of your god.

[Kizzy]

I honestly can't see the difference between believing in god and believing aliens exist.... they are both supposed entities in the stars, what's the difference?
I prefer to keep an open mind, it would be ignorant to dismiss everything just as I haven't witnessed it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I honestly can't see the difference between believing in god and believing aliens exist.... they are both supposed entities in the stars, what's the difference?
I prefer to keep an open mind, it would be ignorant to dismiss everything just as I haven't witnessed it.

really you can't see a difference? how many millions of people have been killed in wars because people believe in UFOs?? oh yea, none. that's the difference. Millions have been killed in religious wars though.

that's a pretty big difference, right Kizzy?

there is no "Pope" of UFOs and if anyone claims to be a Pope of UFOs he's laughed off the stage. when christians laugh the Pope of christianity off the stage, then we'll be on the same page.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I honestly can't see the difference between believing in god and believing aliens exist.... they are both supposed entities in the stars, what's the difference?
I prefer to keep an open mind, it would be ignorant to dismiss everything just as I haven't witnessed it.

There is a huge difference. To understand how the universe was made, how planets are formed from space materials and how stars and galaxies form - to understand the chemistry needed for life to start on certain planets under certain conditions like in this galaxy and then to understand the number of similar galaxies that are around it would be mathematically folly to not think there was life elsewhere. To compare that to believing in a god based on some 2000 year old bog standard superstition is just not comparable.

Its not ignorant to dismiss religion, most people do so on the evidence that is set before them as they would about believing in anything. You can have an open mind but by your definition you are also open to leprechauns, giant hay eating dinosaurs that live in the earths core, moomins, clangers, dragons who live in the welsh hills and all sorts of crazy bat**** stuff.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really you can't see a difference? how many millions of people have been killed in wars because people believe in UFOs?? oh yea, none. that's the difference. Millions have been killed in religious wars though.

that's a pretty big difference, right Kizzy?

there is no "Pope" of UFOs and if anyone claims to be a Pope of UFOs he's laughed off the stage. when christians laugh the Pope of christianity off the stage, then we'll be on the same page.

"The Pope of UFOs" would be the best username. Ever.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is a huge difference. To understand how the universe was made, how planets are formed from space materials and how stars and galaxies form - to understand the chemistry needed for life to start on certain planets under certain conditions like in this galaxy and then to understand the number of similar galaxies that are around it would be mathematically folly to not think there was life elsewhere. To compare that to believing in a god based on some 2000 year old bog standard superstition is just not comparable.

Its not ignorant to dismiss religion, most people do so on the evidence that is set before them as they would about believing in anything. You can have an open mind but by your definition you are also open to leprechauns, giant hay eating dinosaurs that live in the earths core, moomins, clangers, dragons who live in the welsh hills and all sorts of crazy bat**** stuff.

2000? try 15,000 that's when ancient civilisations were trying to leave us information.... What I'm suggesting is that what we call 'god' is an alien and they have been here.
If you can open your mind enough to contemplate the infinate nature of the universe that doesn't seem so unlikely does it?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really you can't see a difference? how many millions of people have been killed in wars because people believe in UFOs?? oh yea, none. that's the difference. Millions have been killed in religious wars though.

that's a pretty big difference, right Kizzy?

there is no "Pope" of UFOs and if anyone claims to be a Pope of UFOs he's laughed off the stage. when christians laugh the Pope of christianity off the stage, then we'll be on the same page.

Nowhere in my post was I suggesting there was or had been alex, I was just drawing a comparison between god and aliens is all.... I am aware there have been many conflicts in the name of religion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

2000? try 15,000 that's when ancient civilisations were trying to leave us information.... What I'm suggesting is that what we call 'god' is an alien and they have been here.
If you can open your mind enough to contemplate the infinate nature of the universe that doesn't seem so unlikely does it?

Which ancient 15,000 year old civilizations were leaving "us" messages?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Which ancient 15,000 year old civilizations were leaving "us" messages?

Well not 'us' in particular, I wasn't intending on that to be taken so literally you understand?
But the ancient Egyptians and the Mayans have both alluded to beings in their writings.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Which ancient 15,000 year old civilizations were leaving "us" messages?

Sumerians from the Mesopotamian area

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Sumerians from the Mesopotamian area

and what messages are meant to have been left?