[Saph]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

thank you I find posts like this laughable. some people could benefit greatly from taking a little break from the show

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[suekesh]

I have never made a comment before on any televison programme on a social network but the vile comments that came out of Helen's mouth this evening were disgraceful and I cannot understand why the 'pass' has not been taken off her yet? I also wish her male lap dogs would stand up to her, they all seem to be in her control. How dare she call another person, who does not seem to have done anything the things she called Jale this evening and then Ash (who obviously is just weak) giggled with her which will just make her throw these comments around even more. It is out and out bullying, how we will ever stop kids from bullying each other when adults are even worse. Well done Jale i say for not coming down to her gutter level! BB needs to set an example that blatant bullying will not be tolerated and is indeed punished for it.

[joeysteele]

I have always held back as to the word bullying on BB,except for Jade and co with Shilpa.
However, yes, this is bullying now and it is far from in any way nice to see and watch too.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I don't understand what you're asking me.

And are you implying that Helen was physically intimidating to Jale during the name calling scene?

Totally!! Would you have been comfortable if someone had insulted you in an aggressive tone and then stood behind you?

[Saph]

I think because I watch so many shows focusing around bitchy women that this whole pauline/jale/helen thing seems pretty tame.. but I can see why people who aren't used to seeing stuff like this are feeling strongly about it.

[erinp5]

Ricky Gervais @rickygervais · 49m

Never seen blatant bullying in Big Brother like Helen & Pauline. Vile. Chris & Jale for the final!

[Black Dagger]

After the past couple of days, definitely.

Odious wench.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by suekesh

I have never made a comment before on any televison programme on a social network but the vile comments that came out of Helen's mouth this evening were disgraceful and I cannot understand why the 'pass' has not been taken off her yet? I also wish her male lap dogs would stand up to her, they all seem to be in her control. How dare she call another person, who does not seem to have done anything the things she called Jale this evening and then Ash (who obviously is just weak) giggled with her which will just make her throw these comments around even more. It is out and out bullying, how we will ever stop kids from bullying each other when adults are even worse. Well done Jale i say for not coming down to her gutter level! BB needs to set an example that blatant bullying will not be tolerated and is indeed punished for it.

Welcome to the forum.

I basically agree with every word of your post.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Hofman

Totally!! Would you have been comfortable if someone had insulted you in an aggressive tone and then stood behind you?

I don't take insults well, so wouldn't have been comfortable with it no matter where the person was standing. And I think Helen is a very intimidating person.

But I don't think Jale felt physically intimidated by Helen during that.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I don't take insults well, so wouldn't have been comfortable with it no matter where the person was standing. And I think Helen is a very intimidating person.

But I don't think Jale felt physically intimidated by Helen during that.

Really?

Having seen/heard how she went at Danielle I would have felt very concerned being Jale, especially seeing the venom in her face towards me.

I also think it's one of the reasons why she didn't react.

[Hofman]

I also don't understand why none of the other housemates haven't said anything to Helen. I would not of sat back and not said something being there in person.

[Jack_]

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Definite bullying. I was on the fence..but tonights show changed that

Same tbh. She was disgusting tonight.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Hofman

Really?

Having seen/heard how she went at Danielle I would have felt very concerned being Jale, especially seeing the venom in her face towards me.

I also think it's one of the reasons why she didn't react.

Yes really.

Dani got the better of Helen that evening.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

Did she she not highlight in a quite elevated tone she was being blamed for everything. That to me showed it was affecting her.

She also showed signs of anxiety when talking about others walking away when she has tried to talk to them

[Kizzy]

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Yes really.

Dani got the better of Helen that evening.

Have to disagree

Danielle so didn't get the better, she was a nervous wreck after that and climbed back in her shell and been to scared to speak up since.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Copied from another thread

Bullying is completely relative and subjective to individual people in unique situations. It is only bullying when the person themselves feel like they're being bullied, if they can withstand it, deal with it or not even care then it's just nastiness. It's only when that person is affected emotionally or physically by it and they determine themselves that it's bullying then that's what it becomes

And so far I see little evidence she's not able to cope with it. She seems a pretty strong person to me

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

Well yes it is Kizzy because BB has always had rules.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

True.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

this just sounds like BS to me, bullying is bullying whether the victim wants to accept it as that or not. Also as noted she has mentioned and shown signs that it's getting to her.

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and bullied then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is big brother, what are the aims and objectives....
If BB intervenes constantly it's not really 'big brother' is it?

Do we not remember BB5 fight night, or Shilpa?

Rules are needed for a reason!

Without rules it would dissolve in to the Hunger Games

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and targeted then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

If you believe all of this, then you will also agree that Deana wasn't bullied? Afterall she was strong through it all and stood up for herself.

Edit. Only using Deana as an example because I have seen so many times over the past day or so about how Deana was the only 'real' case of bullying etc

[Samm]

This is my view on it, Helen was being harsh to Jale in tonight's episode that's why I have gone off Helen, some of it can be classed as bullying but imo it's not as bad as previous years for example the first week of BB7 & CBB5 imo also BB3, but I get annyoned when people on here class toya and Kimberly as the bullies as well just because both like Helen

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Hofman

Have to disagree

Danielle so didn't get the better, she was a nervous wreck after that and climbed back in her shell and been to scared to speak up since.

If you look at the argument again, you'll see that Helen retreats from Dani to the smoking area.

Sure Dani looks a wreck the following day, she was convinced she'd blown her chances in the house. She's only recovering from that now. But the argument with Helen, Dani won that.