[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by 00Jamie00

He was joking Josy, it's just a story to make his scar more interesting, loads of people do it.

Like if you had a scar on your head, you could say "I was kicked in the head by a horse" when really a can of beans fell out the cupboard and hit you on the head

How do you know he was joking?

Has he openly said it was a joke?

[LukeB]

he genuine he was sticking up for himself because toya was shouting at him.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmm, with Toya..?..credit to her though that she did hold her own against all three of them because no one else really said much or got involved, even Helen who is often quite outspoken and although just by being the Power Housemate and having to make those decisions would have meant that in a way yeah, she would have been 'ready' for confrontations more/more prepared etc..?..I don't think that she would have foreseen all three of them reacting like that so I don't think she would have known exactly what to say but was also herself in a reaction and quite defensive situation...I know she has her flaws and how that must frustrate anyone around her and maybe cause them to lose their temper etc...especially as they just realised they were up for eviction but I still also think that it's how housemates react to these things that is a large part of the show and our 'judgement' of them and to me the insults from all of them was pretty telling of their characters...I think you're right in that to react in anger or annoyance would be quite 'normal' but thyen it's how you are with that anger..the things you say etc and 'how low you go..'....

Yeah, nobody could have expected all 3 of them to suddenly pipe up and have a go at her so she wouldn't have been prepared.. but she thrives of bitching, she sits there and talks about housemates a lot & thinks about them regularly.. she has very strong opinions on every housemate which then comes as a strength to her when arguments do finally come around. I think Winston is the complete opposite, he's a bit of a wuss and his only arguments towards her were "do one" and "**** off".. if i was on the end of an argument i'd rather be told to do one than have someone insult me or embarrass me in front of everyone like Toya did. Neither came away from the argument well in my opinion, i just think hes very misunderstood at this stage.. if he continues to start bickering, arguing and bitching from now on then that will definitely be classed as showing his true personality and real side, but from one very weak argument it's harsh to put that kind of label on someone.

[00Jamie00]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

How do you know he was joking?

Has he openly said it was a joke?

Do you believe him?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Yeah, nobody could have expected all 3 of them to suddenly pipe up and have a go at her so she wouldn't have been prepared.. but she thrives of bitching, she sits there and talks about housemates a lot & thinks about them regularly.. she has very strong opinions on every housemate which then comes as a strength to her when arguments do finally come around. I think Winston is the complete opposite, he's a bit of a wuss and his only arguments towards her were "do one" and "**** off".. if i was on the end of an argument i'd rather be told to do one than have someone insult me or embarrass me in front of everyone like Toya did. Neither came away from the argument well in my opinion, i just think hes very misunderstood at this stage.. if he continues to start bickering, arguing and bitching from now on then that will definitely be classed as showing his true personality and real side, but from one very weak argument it's harsh to put that kind of label on someone.

..yeah but as Toya said in the chat with Helen, they all bitch..bitching just relieves some of the boredon and confinement in the house I guess so I also wouldn't really label Toya for being bitchy but more for her behaviour toward other people and I know that isn't great at all with her communication but I don't see her as being a 'nasty' person at all...and I agree that no one came away from the argument 'looking good' as such, it was more who looked the worst or the most in the wrong and for me it was the guys because Toya was just being how she always was and so maybe there was no surprises there but the guys had previously looked ok and a reasonable 'gang' but the whole situation of being up for eviction and how they took it and how they spoke to her wasn't great at all....I haven't put a 'label' on him by the way or any of them..I've just changed my opinion of them or maybe I should say that I've finally got an opinion which I hadn't really before...

[Sophiee]

it wasn't his 'true colours' it was just another side to him that we hadn't yet seen. it has only been 2 weeks after all.

[aman201]

Yeah, I saw a change in him.

But for the better.

Not afraid to stand up for himself and put someone in his place.

[Johnnyuk123]

The scar on his arm is a friction burn from masterbating.

[Marsh.]

"True personality"? Not this again.

Most people are three dimensional, they have different moods and sides to them. Shocking I know.