[arista]

In The polls Conservative are now 2 points ahead
from Labour.
[ref YouGov poll]


This is from tomorrows
Sunday Times



Ref :SkyNewsHD paper review

[LukeB]

lol

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

In The polls Conservative are now 2 points ahead
from Labour.
[ref YouGov poll]


This is from tomorrows
Sunday Times



Ref :SkyNewsHD paper review

Don't get too excited arista, another poll out, taken 'after' the Conservative conference has Labour 5 points ahead and on average both polls with the margin of error could be saying the same thing.

Yougov are all over the place with their polling, just 3 days ago they had Labour 6 points ahead.

I also think to balance things out,donors to the Conservative party are unhappy with them too, at least some of them anyway, one has just switched his donations to UKIP.
I haven't heard that happening with Labour donors as yet.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yougov are all over the place with their polling, just 3 days ago they had Labour 6 points ahead.

^this.

I know a lot of Labour supporters who dislike Ed Miliband, and also a lot of conservatives who hate David Cameron.

Maybe the parties should consider having their supporters have a say in leaders.

[LukeB]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

^this.

I know a lot of Labour supporters who dislike Ed Miliband, and also a lot of conservatives who hate David Cameron.

Maybe the parties should consider having their supporters have a say in leaders.

I think it is a near first that both leaders of the main parties are disliked by their own supporters and also even a good number of their own MPs.

David Cameron is seen as a loser by some Conservative MP's and supporters for failing to get an overall majority in the easiest election ever to achieve one,namely 2010.
They also don't see him ever getting to the level of support he needs to even just scrape in in 2015, he needs to be a clear 6 points ahead of Labour for an overll majority of the barest number.

I think Labour too, are disillusioned by the 2 Miliband Brothers battle for the Labour leadership.
Also there are those who would like him to promise an EU referendum too.

It is different reasons for why both leaders have lukewarm support from some in their parties but Cameron's is worse because he is seen as a failure as to elections.
The Conservative party has hated having to share power with the Lib Dems and they blame Cameron for that.

[arista]

"Don't get too excited arista"


I'm not
I am just saying change the Labour Leader

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Don't get too excited arista"


I'm not
I am just saying change the Labour Leader

Well, I actually think we could do with a change of all the 3 main party leaders,none will go now however, it is way too close to the elction now.

The Conservatives will wait for Boris Johnson after the 2015 election,if Cameron loses again,he will be gone sharpish.

I am not that sure Miliband will be got rid of were Labour to lose since he is likely to be the leader in the ascendency after only one term of opposition and it is almost certain to be at least another hung parliament.

Clegg will lose badly and he will clear off to some lucrative post in the EU again,leaving his almighty mess as to his leadership, to be sorted out by someone else.

[arista]

Labour rebels blast Ed Miliband's 'extraordinary complacency' as party's ratings slump

Labour MPs have rounded on their leader after Tories took lead in polls
MP John Mann said the poll should have acted as a 'wake-up call'
Said he hoped Mr Miliband would be galvanised into improving performance
Comes after Tories were in 35 per cent in poll, with Labour one point behind
Advisor to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown has also criticised Labour leader
Patrick Diamond said it appears that 'politically Labour are on the back foot'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FI1UHxB9



And John Prescott attacks Ed Miliband
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...d-boys-4378508

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Labour rebels blast Ed Miliband's 'extraordinary complacency' as party's ratings slump

Labour MPs have rounded on their leader after Tories took lead in polls
MP John Mann said the poll should have acted as a 'wake-up call'
Said he hoped Mr Miliband would be galvanised into improving performance
Comes after Tories were in 35 per cent in poll, with Labour one point behind
Advisor to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown has also criticised Labour leader
Patrick Diamond said it appears that 'politically Labour are on the back foot'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FI1UHxB9



And John Prescott attacks Ed Miliband
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...d-boys-4378508

This is what annoys me with MPs and leaders now, they are obsessed with polls.
2 polls from the same company have the Conservatives marginally ahead, all other polls have Labour between 3 and 6 points ahead.

Nice to see you arista now think John Prescott has something relevant to say however.
This is another thing, it is time these retired politicians remembered their day and left the current MPs to get on with now.

Even if,and I doubt it as I still think the polls are underestimating Labour's support,evin if the Conservatives were this 1 or 2 points ahead,it still brings them nowhere near an overall majority or even to be the largest party.

The polls are a guide and all have an error margin, every poll out recently with the margin errors possible are all saying the same thing,labour around the mid to upper 30s as to percenatage and the Conservative sa little below the mid 30s as to percentage.

Nothing to get excited or over the top about,nothing to worry about,Labour only needs to be 1% ahead on polling day to likely get an overall majority.
Those are the facts and all that matters.

I do think all parties need a wake up call.
Just maybe the by elections,the real test as to voting,although again not a reliable one overall, will do just that and wake them up a bit more.

One thing is very sure, all the polls out at present do not in any way indicate a Conservative victory in 2015,nor even to just be likely the largest party in a hung parliament.
I am perfectly happy with that scenario.

[arista]

[Support for UKIP in a Labour safe seat by-election is surging as voters abandon Ed Miliband, a dramatic poll has revealed.
The exclusive Survation poll for The Sun on next week's Heywood and Middleton vote reveals backing for the anti-EU party has surged to 31%, putting it in a firm second place.
At the 2010 general election, Ukip got just 3% and Labour held the Greater Manchester constituency comfortably with a majority of 5,971.
Labour chiefs are still on course to hold on to the northern constituency, retaining 50% of the support among those who have decided how they'll vote so far.
But with just seven days to go before polling day, the finding - which also reveals 19% are yet to make up their minds - will sound major alarm bells for Labour.
And it cedes the momentum to Nigel Farage's party for a tense final week of campaigning that could still deliver a major political shock and Ukip's first ever directly elected MP. ]

From Sun + online site.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...middleton.html