[Denver]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Again, there's a difference, a difference between offending someone over - let's say - their shoes and offending someone based on their sexuality.

If your going to attack someone then you worse then they are simple as

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Please show me where the man on the floor intimidated and threatened somebody else?

The context was provided by the person who recorded and uploaded the video. The video fits that context, based on what they were saying in the video, and the fact that the crowd seemed to have zero sympathy for the homophobe, there's no reason to doubt it.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Braden

Violence is such a stupid way to deal with most situations.

Some gay people are beat up on a day to day basis purely because they're gay, but it doesn't fit right with me that this person felt it necessary to beat the **** of this guy, in retaliation of what seems to be a homophobic statement.

It's just hypocritical to me. People need to realise that insecurity is the main cause of name-calling. I would take pity in the fact that someone went out of their way to personally offend me simply because of something I can't change.

This basically

[Good King Glennceslas]

I wonder whether he lost any teeth

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The context was provided by the person who recorded and uploaded the video. The video fits that context, there's no reason to doubt it.

Oh sorry somebody wrote it so it must be true?

I dont see why people are jumping on the homophobe bandwagon it makes it worse

The bigger person would not react and just remove themselves from the situation

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Oh sorry somebody wrote it so it must be true?

I dont see why people are jumping on the homophobe bandwagon it makes it worse

The bigger person would not react and just remove themselves from the situation

In a perfect world there wouldn't be homophobia, war, violence etc. **** happens

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by adamski94

If your going to attack someone then you worse then they are simple as

In a normal context yes, but unless you've ever been in the situation where you've been harassed by someone based on your sexuality, or anything else that you can't help, then you won't know how much restraint and control it takes to not retaliate.

Of course violence is wrong, but if you're pushed to your limits by an idiot who sees fit to abuse you in the street for no reason, then there's only so much a person can take.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

In a normal context yes, but unless you've ever been in the situation where you've been harassed by someone based on your sexuality, or anything else that you can't help, then you won't know how much restraint and control it takes to not retaliate.

Of course violence is wrong, but if you're pushed to your limits by an idiot who sees fit to abuse you in the street for no reason, then there's only so much a person can take.

As i said before a real mad would walk away and take themselves out off the situation

there is not one that is ever going to make behaviour like that acceptable

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I wonder whether he lost any teeth

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Oh sorry somebody wrote it so it must be true?

I dont see why people are jumping on the homophobe bandwagon it makes it worse

The bigger person would not react and just remove themselves from the situation

I am curious about that too.

[Z]

I dare anyone who's saying violence is wrong to tell it to this guy



Seriously though, good for him, he stood up for himself and that's a damn sight more effective at getting someone to stop harassing you than meekly looking down and shuffling away. If you let people walk all over you, they will. Maybe violence isn't the answer, but neither is being a sponge for abuse.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

vigilantism... yes we should solve all issues like this :/

it's not vigilantism, it's a victim standing up for himself.

vigilantism would be if someone else beat that homophobic douchbag's ass for being homophobic.

[Marsh.]

Beating the crap out of someone is not standing up for yourself.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Beating the crap out of someone is not standing up for yourself.

If they're threatening you it is.

[lostalex]

no one has mentioned the fact that also the homophobic guy seems to be larger and more muscular than the gay guy that fought back. That is another factor in how the gay guy might have felt threatened and intimidated.

The guy on the ground looks bigger and more muscular than the guy that fought back, to me. So it makes sense to me that the gay man was probably feeling very vulnerable, not just because of the psychological reasons of being intimidated because of his sexuality, but also because the guy looked much bigger and stronger.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no one has mentioned the fact that also the homophobic guy seems to be larger and more muscular than the gay guy that fought back. That is another factor in how the gay guy might have felt threatened and intimidated.

The guy on the ground looks bigger and more muscular than the guy that fought back, to me. So it makes sense to me that the gay man was probably feeling very vulnerable, not just because of the psychological reasons of being intimidated because of his sexuality, but also because the guy looked much bigger and stronger.

Bolloxs i walk past people much bigger then me daily but i dont go around attacking them there is no way possible this behaviour can be excused

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

If they're threatening you it is.

Was he threatened or physically intimidated?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Bolloxs i walk past people much bigger then me daily but i dont go around attacking them there is no way possible this behaviour can be excused

once again, you aren't framing your comments or opinions within THE CONTEXT of this video.

what does you walking past larger people have to do with this video???

[Marsh.]

Lashing out when you feel threatened in your own defence is a little different to what we see in this video where he persists on kicking him after the person has already hit the floor and backed off. Instead of moving on he continues with the violence. No excuse.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Was he threatened or physically intimidated?

In the context of the world we live in, where gay people are abused, raped, and murdered on a daily basis by homophobic bigots, verbally harassing someone with the word "******" is absolutely going to make any gay man feel threatened.

How is that debatable in any way? Isn't that completely obvious?

What purpose would the bigot have for calling him a ****** unless he was trying to intimidate and threaten him?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Lashing out when you feel threatened in your own defence is a little different to what we see in this video where he persists on kicking him after the person has already hit the floor and backed off. Instead of moving on he continues with the violence. No excuse.

well clearly the adrenaline had kicked in(no pun intended) by that point.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

In the context of the world we live in, where gay people are abused, raped, and murdered on a daily basis by homophobic bigots, verbally harassing someone with the word "******" is absolutely going to make any gay man feel threatened.

How is that debatable in any way? Isn't that completely obvious?

What purpose would the bigot have for calling him a ****** unless he was trying to intimidate and threaten him?

Calling someone an offensive term is not on the scale of being physically threatening.

Heterosexual people are abused, raped and murdered on a daily basis for a multitude of reasons too, and in all cases being harassed with a word does not justify a physical attack.

Not that it's relevant. If we were discussing an attempted murder or rape then the reaction would be justifiable. As such, it wasn't.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Calling someone an offensive term is not on the scale of being physically threatening.

Heterosexual people are abused, raped and murdered on a daily basis for a multitude of reasons too, and in all cases being harassed with a word does not justify a physical attack.

Not that it's relevant. If we were discussing an attempted murder or rape then the reaction would be justifiable. As such, it wasn't.

it is when there is a long documented history of str8male bigots killing gay men on a daily basis. that is the world all gay men live in. the verbal harassment is how it always starts.

If this man had not fought back from the very first verbal harassment, it might have turned the other way, the bully would feel empowered, maybe followed him home, and then killed him in a secluded area. Those are the kinds of things that some gay men think about all the time. especially gay men that live in certain areas, and seen plenty of their friends brutally attacked before. This gay man in the video decided, i'm, not going to give this BIGOT the benefit of the doubt.

Why should he have to give a BIGOT the benefit of the doubt??

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

In the context of the world we live in, where gay people are abused, raped, and murdered on a daily basis by homophobic bigots, verbally harassing someone with the word "******" is absolutely going to make any gay man feel threatened.

How is that debatable in any way? Isn't that completely obvious?

What purpose would the bigot have for calling him a ****** unless he was trying to intimidate and threaten him?

This is rubbish

may i point out that woman and straight man are abused, raped and murdered just as much amd it womens xases much more

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well clearly the adrenaline had kicked in(no pun intended) by that point.

Oh so its perfectly fine to kick someone when there unresponsive because the adreniline has kick in thanks for clearing that up