[Billy]

lol yeah but there isnt much point as people have already made up their minds and I respect that, so Im gonna leave it there. some like her some dont, simple as that

[Bells]

Exactly, and as the days go on I expect there'll be more and more to talk about which can change or develop views etc. - that is what the show's about!

[Billy]

Yeah oh well. theres still a day until Friday.

[Bells]

Awww - to be fair, the majority of the public has made up their minds! This happens - I've had several of my favourite housemates leave early. But you know what, it could well be Shabnam because she wants to go and everything. And you can still be known as an Emily fan! I just can't see her bringing an awful lot more, and if she stays longer it may well do her popularity more bad than good, as I think I might have mentioned before.

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Ash

No I'm on about when she was talking to Ziggy - it would've been better for them to say what they had to say rather than her do the talking for them just to cover herself up.

potentialsuperstar, don't give up - that's not the thing to do! I appreciate that you like Emily, and want to hear your reasons. Things may well change over the coming days, and we'll come back here to debate things - that's what a forum's for. You're one of the few Emily fans who's been considerate about your views rather than jumping down my throat - be proud!

the problem is that they would never have done it to his face......Emily has to as I think she is quite a nice person....(though people obviously don't agree) and would rather say what they were talking about.....remember she didn't bring anyone else into the argument which she could have done....(and probably should have)

but there you go....at least you can have a conversation about it rather than the usual Emily = Bitch = Rant that I've been seeing the past few days on various sites

ooh while I'm here why Is the official forum so ****? it seems every time I go there I can see a few posts then it's offline or has internal problems? they need some new servers

dOc

[Billy]

yeah the thing thats annoying me is every year my favourite has went first LMAO. I think shes got a good chance of staying (deluded) cos shabz still fave on polls and with the bookies and stuff

[Bells]

I know what you mean Doc. Which official forum are you on about, by the way?

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Ash
Awww - to be fair, the majority of the public has made up their minds! This happens - I've had several of my favourite housemates leave early. But you know what, it could well be Shabnam because she wants to go and everything. And you can still be known as an Emily fan! I just can't see her bringing an awful lot more, and if she stays longer it may well do her popularity more bad than good, as I think I might have mentioned before.

problem is if she leaves now she'll be hated for all the wrong reasons....which would be quite a shame...

dOc

[Bells]

It's too early to determine any of that - that's the point.

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Ash
I know what you mean Doc. Which official forum are you on about, by the way?

Channel4.com

it's a load of **** never works

dOc

[Bells]

Haha, don't go there then - this is the place to be!

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Ash
It's too early to determine any of that - that's the point.

bloody hell you are quick with replies.....and why is bloody edited?

dOc

[Bells]

So are you! Haha! And erm I dunno - cos it's in the swear filter, I guess.

[Billy]

so we all thinkin emilys a goner tehn

[Bells]

I've got to go guys - been nice chatting. xxx

[Billy]

byee

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Ash
I've got to go guys - been nice chatting. xxx

see ya later nice to have a discussion rather than a war

have a nice night

dOc

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by potentialsuperstar
so we all thinkin emilys a goner tehn

I still have that sinking feeling......

hope I'm wrong though

I just hope if she does go....Davina will say...."and
Emily.....welcome to your very own BB house"

I can dream

dOc

[Billy]

LMAO Something tells me sehs stayin

[MaDdOctoR]

could you send that something over to me....I need a bit of cheering up...

plus I just found this http://www.emilyparrfan.co.uk/category/video/
(the Chanelle site has the "Straightener-gate" video...I've just re-watched it and still cannot see where Emily was a bitch.....oh well)

dOc

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Ash

I was referring more to previous posts. I should have quoted really, but if you had read earlier on you would’ve noticed.

I read the whole thread before I posted, noticing the previous posts, but your presumption has been noted.

Anyway, she did admit it to Ziggy in my view – she was basically stood there and mentioned it to him, and he was talking about not bringing Chanelle into it – did you miss that bit? I don’t think he lied at all; it’d be a miracle to get every single word right of the conversation or what exactly Emily said, especially at that time of night, but he put across the gist of that. If that’s lying, then I pretty much lie all the time.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by saying that Emily forgot to quote Ziggy in full. She seems to ‘lie’; well, twist the truth, quite a lot IMO so I can never be sure what she’s on about half the time. I just didn’t understand why she was playing the victim rather than standing up to the argument and truly airing her views if she believed them to be correct.

You ask if I missed the bit where Ziggy spoke about not bringing Chanelle into it, and your presumption is wrong, again. I saw the exact same argument as you Ash, it was long winded, it was complicated, contexts were constantly being changed and in my opinion, there was really no need for it. It's my opinion that Ziggy likes Emily and will gladly argue with her because it's a chnace to talk to her, and Emily has even admitted she's drawn to Ziggy for the plain and simple fact that he's a man. This is why I think they had this pointless argument. Now, we come to the point of who is lying about what, but in your post that I've quoted here Ash, you even claim that no-one should be expected to get all the words right when it's so late at night and so many things are being said, leading you to base Ziggy's innocence on this, yet in the same post, condemn Emily for exactly the same mistake. To further emphasise your point, you say Emily tends to 'twist the truth' alot and you can 'never be sure what she's on about half the time'.

I'm more than happy to continue this debate with you, but if you don't know what Emily's on about, maybe you arn't the best person to debate this with.

I understand what you mean. You find it hard to follow these silly arguments, especially when someone like Emily gets confused and begins to use too many words to explain her point, but I maintain my stance that Ziggy lied first, and led Emily into confusion, where she then forgot to quote him fully.

What she should have said is...

"I did not say....'I think Chanelle has a gameplan'....."

like Ziggy accused her of

...but she had become confused and was panicking and said

"I did not say ....."Chanelle has a gameplan"....."

....and in the truthful context of simple spoken word she did actually say.....'me and the housemates were discussing that Chanelle has a gameplan......"

...so she is now deemed a liar by her haters and critics, when it was Ziggy with the real lie.

This has become a pedantic issue, and Emily was being stubborn and confrontational, not for the first time this week, but, she is not a liar, because she did not intend to be deceitful.

[Bells]

We're going to have to agree to disagree then, because I've realised now that people will just see things differently. And, as I stated before, it's not her being condemned a 'liar' that annoys me, it's the way she handled the situation and dramatised everything (which I guess makes sense, but I still don't like it!) And I really don't think Ziggy fancies her and wants a chance to talk to her, although I could well be wrong. People have different tastes - if you find her attractive, it doesn't necessarily mean others will. I think she's fit personally, but a lot of my friends don't.

The phrase 'I don't know what she's on about' wasn't really meant literally - sorry, it's just a phrase I say quite a lot, meaning I don't agree with what she's saying. I should really keep those out of a debate! I personally don't think either one of them lied - they were both saying and expressing the gist of what they heard and interpreted it, but what bothered me was Emily just victimising herself instead of standing up for what she believed in with confidence. Arguing and playing victim is a bit too easy.

She should've really told Chanelle, because when she did speak to Chanelle, she was implying she used the term 'gameplan' loosely, when in fact I don't think that's true. She also said (to Chanelle) that she just thought Chanelle had her reasons for being in Ziggy's bed, whether it was a gameplan, whether it was to talk to him, etc. which clearly wasn't what she meant - and I lost even more respect for her when she did that.

Anyway, as I said at the beginning of this post, we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I can't see ourselves convincing each other, because it is all based on perceptions as I think I mentioned before, so it's best to leave it there.

[GiRTh]

The exact words were ' Me and the girls have been talking about Chanelle having a gameplan'. We can argue over semantics but, in my opinion, the argument was more due to the fact that Emily tricked Ziggy into revealing that he nominated her. Strange, but I'm starting to like her now and as for Ziggy, what a muppet falling for that one.

[Bells]

In the situation though, I probably would as well. I wouldn't expect someone to come out of the DR and say something of the sort, unless there was something more to it. But that comes down to me being gullible - I think for Ziggy, in the situation, he just did not see it coming. I think the argument was based on quite a few things built up.

[JustJessie]

I DONT LIKE EMILY, But keep her in so she can keep digging her grave which she has been doin these last few days! Its entertainment!!!