[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's not for you to decide, it's the child's parents' decision. Not yours.


If children are behaving inappropriately in school then school have a right to employ safeguarding, no one want their child exposed to inappropriate behaviour f


There are child safety options on most consoles both current and last generation. It's up to the parents to set them and oversee what their child is playing.

Yes but some are not using it so maybe they need educating

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i played with toy guns as a child and read war comics, watched war movies and cowboy and indian films and so far I have not killed anyone

You're probably not a great example if your going for the "grew up normal" angle.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're probably not a great example if your going for the "grew up normal" angle.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes but some are not using it so maybe they need educating

That's their own responsibility, not the schools'.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Seeing as primary school stretches from 3 to 11, I think in some cases yes they should, 6 year olds should not be playing COD etc online, Whilst the game itself might not be too bad, its the online aspect and the people they are playing with that would concern me, if the are in a game with much older children or adults who are swearing and generally being loutish It is not appropriate.

I agree,well said

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's their own responsibility, not the schools'.

It is the schools responsibility if a child acts inappropriately while on school premises or are you suggesting they ignore it.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're probably not a great example if your going for the "grew up normal" angle.

lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It is the schools responsibility if a child acts inappropriately while on school premises or are you suggesting they ignore it.

Yeah, but if a kid is misbehaving to such an extent then there's obviously something seriously wrong and the problem won't lie with what games they're playing.

Blaming games is a scapegoat and by doing it people are ignoring the real issues at hand.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah, but if a kid is misbehaving to such an extent then there's obviously something seriously wrong and the problem won't lie with what games they're playing.

Blaming games is a scapegoat and by doing it people are ignoring the real issues at hand.

Agree with this. A lot of times, there's a clear problem with kids and the school don't want to address it. Making a big hullaballoo about videogames doesn't really solve this issue.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah, but if a kid is misbehaving to such an extent then there's obviously something seriously wrong and the problem won't lie with what games they're playing.

Blaming games is a scapegoat and by doing it people are ignoring the real issues at hand.

No its not scapegoating, its been well documented that some children are heavily influenced by what they watch or play Jamie Bulger's killers being a case in point, if it saves one child from his fate I don't see the issue really.

[Kizzy]

There is obviously an established pattern emerging, if this is how the school wish to tackle the issue if some parents refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the problem manifesting then as guardians too they have that right.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No its not scapegoating, its been well documented that some children are heavily influenced by what they watch or play Jamie Bulger's killers being a case in point, if it saves one child from his fate I don't see the issue really.

I think there might have been more to the Jamie Bulger murderers than videogames. You do realise the type of home they lived in, right? There was a pattern of child neglect. Videogames were not the big problem.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No its not scapegoating, its been well documented that some children are heavily influenced by what they watch or play Jamie Bulger's killers being a case in point, if it saves one child from his fate I don't see the issue really.

No, it's absolving someone of their guilt.

'Oh it's not their fault they killed someone, the game made them do it'

**** that **** and **** anyone who believes it. the killers are to blame for Jamie Bulger's death, nothing else.

Blaming games is just an excuse for parents not to do any actual parenting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No its not scapegoating, its been well documented that some children are heavily influenced by what they watch or play Jamie Bulger's killers being a case in point, if it saves one child from his fate I don't see the issue really.

locking a;ll children in jails will reduce cases like Bulger and will drastically reduce the number of children killed outside by cars, rivers etc

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, it's absolving someone of their guilt.

'Oh it's not their fault they killed someone, the game made them do it'

**** that **** and **** anyone who believes it. the killers are to blame for Jamie Bulger's death, nothing else.

Blaming games is just an excuse for parents not to do any actual parenting.

Yes, yes and yes! so much truth

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lily.

I think there might have been more to the Jamie Bulger murderers than videogames. You do realise the type of home they lived in, right? There was a pattern of child neglect. Videogames were not the big problem.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, it's absolving someone of their guilt.

'Oh it's not their fault they killed someone, the game made them do it'

**** that **** and **** anyone who believes it. the killers are to blame for Jamie Bulger's death, nothing else.

Blaming games is just an excuse for parents not to do any actual parenting.

The games are a side issue it will focus the attention on the parents and what is going on at home which again I think is a good thing. If as you say most kids can separate fact from fiction that is great but for the small minority who can't and who display inappropriate behaviour and whose parents do not want to take responsibility for their upbringing I see no issue.

[Kizzy]

Oh well let's ignore any psychological analysis and criminal profiling.
This could be part...a big one, I agree cherie with the Bulger case of a 'perfect storm' of violence.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The games are a side issue it will focus the attention on the parents and what is going on at home which again I think is a good thing. If as you say most kids can separate fact from fiction that is great but for the small minority who can't and who display inappropriate behaviour and whose parents do not want to take responsibility for their upbringing I see no issue.

The issue is this:

"'Primary school headteachers have warned parents who allow their children to play video games such as Call Of Duty and Grand Theft Auto will be reported to police and social services for neglect."

All parents will be reported for neglect, regardless of any other factors. Lumping good parents in with bad, instead of focusing on those who need intervention.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, it's absolving someone of their guilt.

'Oh it's not their fault they killed someone, the game made them do it'

**** that **** and **** anyone who believes it. the killers are to blame for Jamie Bulger's death, nothing else.

Blaming games is just an excuse for parents not to do any actual parenting.

If you remove the video games then it becomes the fault of that movie they watched or that tv show they love. Aggressive people existed before technology and aggressive people continue to exist today, now they just have an excuse!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lily.

The issue is this:

"'Primary school headteachers have warned parents who allow their children to play video games such as Call Of Duty and Grand Theft Auto will be reported to police and social services for neglect."

All parents will be reported for neglect, regardless of any other factors. Lumping good parents in with bad, instead of focusing on those who need intervention.

There is no 'good' and 'bad' in this instance.

If you allow your child to play the game then by definition that is against their policy in the eyes of the school.

[arista]

Police Threat Over Children Playing Adult Games

A letter sent to parents in Nantwich warns letting children play adult games could be "neglect" and could see them reported.

http://news.sky.com/story/1454885/po...ng-adult-games


same story as Kizzys first link post

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There is no 'good' and 'bad' in this instance.

If you allow your child to play the game then by definition that is against their policy in the eyes of the school.

It's no ****ing business of the school's what a kid gets up to in their own time.

What's next, are they going to insist on dictating what the pupils have for meals at home? What activities they get up to on Holidays and weekends? Should they just insist on moving a teacher into every household to take over parenting duties? Let parents be ****ing parents.

It's micromanaging when they have no business doing so. The Schools should only intervene if there's something seriously wrong, not just because they don't like that kids play video games.

[Tom4784]

I hope these schools get done for wasting the police's time if they actually ever go through with this. It's honestly ridiculous and I don't understand why anyone would defend this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's no ****ing business of the school's what a kid gets up to in their own time.

What's next, are they going to insist on dictating what the pupils have for meals at home? What activities they get up to on Holidays and weekends? Should they just insist on moving a teacher into every household to take over parenting duties? Let parents be ****ing parents.

It's micromanaging when they have no business doing so. The Schools should only intervene if there's something seriously wrong, not just because they don't like that kids play video games.

If it's having a marked effect on their behaviour and language in school then yes it's justified, it's an extreme measure but not one I think was taken lightly.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lily.

I think there might have been more to the Jamie Bulger murderers than videogames. You do realise the type of home they lived in, right? There was a pattern of child neglect. Videogames were not the big problem.

There may have been more to James murder,but,a certain video game played a part that is fact,as for their home lives ,they were no different than thousands of other children,the one came from a broken home,the ones father liked a drink,I know what kids see influences them,I've seen it with my own eyes.I can see nothing wrong with schools pointing out the dangers of some videos.