[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Yeh, both genders had to do it at my school. I'm not sure what the gender ratio was after our options as I didn't pick it but I personally never knew any lads who picked it. We mostly did P.E and woodwork.

I think it was useful though while we had it. Making stuff to bring home to your mum and dad to try was actually really nice.

Thanks for this Kyle. Very interesting. (and I love the insight into 'Little Kyle' taking the biscuits and buns he'd baked home to mum and dad and feeling good about it - I remember doing and feeling exactly the same. Innocence and simplicity - it's a shame life eventually fecks us all up.)

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If the not-so-young wife on the TV program; 'Back In Time For Dinner' is anything to go by; it's time 'Domestic Science' was mandatory in EVERY school, because she could not operate a basic or 'butterfly' tin opener, could not cook or present the most rudimentary of meals, did not know what 90% of the really common foodstuffs were, was ignorant of fresh vegetables, and was hopeless in every aspect of domestic science.

With a few notable exceptions, my OWN experience of the latest generation of 'young mothers' has NOT witnessed much to cause me to think that the above 'wife and mother' is the exception and not the rule.

Haha, she was Ruddy hopeless.
Cold liver, cold potatoes and veg for the tea,,,leftovers from dads lunch, surely she could have fried them all together and made a fry up, a bit of Bisto gravy would have improved most of the grub she served as well.
We all loved that show, especially my retro mad daughter.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

me

I don't care about where I drip my meat juices.

[arista]

"Yeh, both genders had to do it at my school."


how nice Kyle

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by arista

"Yeh, both genders had to do it at my school."


how nice Kyle

I wasn't talking about sex Arista.

[Kizzy]

Why wouldn't both genders have to do it, is it expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen, in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?
It's not a gender issue, it's just better understood now how bacteria behaves and things like dishcloths, tea towels and washing raw meat is better understood as a way to cause and spread bacteria around your kitchen.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why wouldn't both genders have to do it, is it expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen, in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?
It's not a gender issue, it's just better understood now how bacteria behaves and things like dishcloths, tea towels and washing raw meat is better understood as a way to cause and spread bacteria around your kitchen.

Am I the only one who hasn't seen this programme if the mother was the main breadwinner that would explain why the Dad did the bulk of the housework then

[Kizzy]

Yes it would, he enjoyed it too he was a real foodie. They had to live due to the rules of the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's she was tied to the kitchen for 5hrs a day in the 50's and 60's and wasn't allowed a short part time job until the 70's she looked like she'd have a breakdown

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why wouldn't both genders have to do it, is it expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen, in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?
It's not a gender issue, it's just better understood now how bacteria behaves and things like dishcloths, tea towels and washing raw meat is better understood as a way to cause and spread bacteria around your kitchen.

My question was perfectly reasonable seeing as how I belong to an era when Girls were still taught Domestic Science at school and boys were not, and seeing as how, in my children's schools, mixed-sex 'Food Technology' classes were NOT part of the curriculum - so I have no direct knowledge of the subject. Is it not perfectly reasonable of me therefore, to ask the very Forum Member who enlightened me to the fact that Domestic Science was still taught in schools as 'Food Technology' to elaborate?

Further; my perfectly reasonable question was not motivated by any personal opinion that it should be "expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen" and I'm afraid that notion must spring from the deepest, darkest prejudices of your own mind, because I am neither 'sexist' nor a 'misogynist'.

What is more, I would not regard duties in the kitchen as "drudgery" but rather enjoyable necessities - from cooking to cleaning, but then again I'm not your sort of 'modern' woman, and not even a woman at - all being a man.

As for your point that "in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?" I believe you - again - are drawing your own wrongful inferences from what I actually stated, because my point was that she was (as Smudgie so perceptively writes) totally "Ruddy hopeless" irrespective of whether she was the main wage earner or not.

Being the "main wage earner" does not negate or excuse the fact that as a mother - let alone a wife or the fact that she's a woman - this woman quite evidently had never learnt even the rudiments of using a tin opener, cooking ANY kind of meal OR doing ANY kind of cleaning. Nor was she familiar with the most common types of foodstuffs.

Are we to presume that from being a little girl and through her teenage years her parents NEVER gave her ANY type of even the most basic instruction in these necessary skills? Because if so, that just PROVES my point about poor parenting being a contributory cause to each successive generation being less schooled in Domestic Science than the last.

Or do we presume that the woman in question never bothered to learn these traditional rudimentary skills because she had the incredible FORESIGHT to KNOW that one day she would be EXCUSED having to bother with such 'drudgery' (despite being a mother of two) because she would be the MAIN WAGE EARNER'?

I do not find any reason for this response post or anything reasonable in it, and whilst I agree that this is "not a gender issue" I fear that you and only you are trying to make it appear that I was making it one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

girls at my school got home economics and we got metalwork and woodwork

made sense

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Yeh, both genders had to do it at my school. I'm not sure what the gender ratio was after our options as I didn't pick it but I personally never knew any lads who picked it. We mostly did P.E and woodwork.

I think it was useful though while we had it. Making stuff to bring home to your mum and dad to try was actually really nice.

Our school was extremely sexist and girls never had the option of woodwork, and lads didn't get the option of food tech

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Yeh, both genders had to do it at my school. I'm not sure what the gender ratio was after our options as I didn't pick it but I personally never knew any lads who picked it. We mostly did P.E and woodwork.

I think it was useful though while we had it. Making stuff to bring home to your mum and dad to try was actually really nice.

Our teacher used to eat our food. We would take it out of the oven and stick it in the fridge, then at the end of the day when we had to pick it up to take it home it was half eaten almost every time.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Our school was extremely sexist and girls never had the option of woodwork, and lads didn't get the option of food tech

Sounds really unfair that. Would you have wanted to do woodwork if you had the chance? What about health and social care? Was that restricted to just the girls?

Originally Posted by RichardG

Our teacher used to eat our food. We would take it out of the oven and stick it in the fridge, then at the end of the day when we had to pick it up to take it home it was half eaten almost every time.

Haha seriously?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Sounds really unfair that. Would you have wanted to do woodwork if you had the chance? What about health and social care? Was that restricted to just the girls?

Nah I was never into woodwork but a few of my mates were and proper kicked off when they were told they couldnt do it for GCSE and they had to drop it for yr10

We never did health and social care

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My question was perfectly reasonable seeing as how I belong to an era when Girls were still taught Domestic Science at school and boys were not, and seeing as how, in my children's schools, mixed-sex 'Food Technology' classes were NOT part of the curriculum - so I have no direct knowledge of the subject. Is it not perfectly reasonable of me therefore, to ask the very Forum Member who enlightened me to the fact that Domestic Science was still taught in schools as 'Food Technology' to elaborate?

Further; my perfectly reasonable question was not motivated by any personal opinion that it should be "expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen" and I'm afraid that notion must spring from the deepest, darkest prejudices of your own mind, because I am neither 'sexist' nor a 'misogynist'.

What is more, I would not regard duties in the kitchen as "drudgery" but rather enjoyable necessities - from cooking to cleaning, but then again I'm not your sort of 'modern' woman, and not even a woman at - all being a man.

As for your point that "in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?" I believe you - again - are drawing your own wrongful inferences from what I actually stated, because my point was that she was (as Smudgie so perceptively writes) totally "Ruddy hopeless" irrespective of whether she was the main wage earner or not.

Being the "main wage earner" does not negate or excuse the fact that as a mother - let alone a wife or the fact that she's a woman - this woman quite evidently had never learnt even the rudiments of using a tin opener, cooking ANY kind of meal OR doing ANY kind of cleaning. Nor was she familiar with the most common types of foodstuffs.

Are we to presume that from being a little girl and through her teenage years her parents NEVER gave her ANY type of even the most basic instruction in these necessary skills? Because if so, that just PROVES my point about poor parenting being a contributory cause to each successive generation being less schooled in Domestic Science than the last.

Or do we presume that the woman in question never bothered to learn these traditional rudimentary skills because she had the incredible FORESIGHT to KNOW that one day she would be EXCUSED having to bother with such 'drudgery' (despite being a mother of two) because she would be the MAIN WAGE EARNER'?

I do not find any reason for this response post or anything reasonable in it, and whilst I agree that this is "not a gender issue" I fear that you and only you are trying to make it appear that I was making it one.

It was a general response to the topic, and dwelling too much on that programme isn't really relevant to the discussion as the OP seems to focus more on the science behind contamination. In this area we know a lot more than we did previously, it is that this is becoming a much bigger problem than it ever was. Thinking back to stories relating to life threatening conditions connected to campylobacter and helicobacter pylori in the media that's the overarching message.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I wasn't talking about sex Arista.

I know K

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

girls at my school got home economics and we got metalwork and woodwork

made sense

Yes Bloody Right LT