[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

It's wrong to single out Nikki as the only culprit for bullying Shahbaz

Nobody singled out Nikki as the only culprit, though.

She was one of them, and this discussion happens to be about Nikki and her nasty traits, so her role in Shahbaz's bullying (which you still haven't actually properly addressed) will naturally come up.

Originally Posted by Petemitch

and being ignorant to Sam (transgender issues were not as prevalent 9 years ago mind)

No excuse to say "manbeast" (though she did express regret at this so I don't hold it against her as much).

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Nikki is only crucified for it because she is so popular..

Oh, the opposite is true. Nikki's role is widely forgotten / glossed over because of her popularity. She's not as all "crucified for it", far from it.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Along with 10 others?

Yes?.. who this time has physically taken it upon themselves to isolate Harry?.. in the clips from last night she was sat right where Helen was, so it's obviously not her.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It's also hypocritical of you to do the opposite then if you want to play that game, but okay.

It's not, because Helen picks on the weak and innocent for no good reason. Nikki has a bit of fun with an inflated ego.

[Raph]

Nikki such a queen

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It's also hypocritical of you to do the opposite then if you want to play that game, but okay.

'I know you are but what am I?' is what you're basically saying.

Do try harder, I've explained why Nikki is different to Helen, you're just repeating what I'm saying without the context. You are reaching.

[Liam-]

I can't remember anyone trying to compare Helen and Nikki? I haven't seen anyone say they're just as bad as each other, just that what Nikki has done, along with her track record, doesn't fit the whole 'sweetness and light miss innocent, butter couldn't melt' routine.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Raph

Nikki such a queen

Princess Nikki (you should watch that on youtube it's hilarious)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Along with 10 others?

The group mentality that year was absolutely shocking. Even saint Pete had a part in it

I remember Nikki saying something along the lines of 'lets hide his clothes, that will hurt him more' with a manic grin on her face.

However, Nikki appears to have grown up a lot. I really disliked her back then..I don't mind her now. As I have said I find this both cruel but funny at the same time. Helen on the other hand is just as vicious as ever. She doesn't try to hide it either and seems proud

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Nobody singled out Nikki as the only culprit, though.

She was one of them, and this discussion happens to be about Nikki and her nasty traits, so her role in Shahbaz's bullying (which you still haven't actually properly addressed) will naturally come up.

I felt Liam alluded at it despite Richard being his BB7 fave (I love Richard but he was awful in week 1)

RE Shahbaz I don't think Nikki had a problem with him but she went along with the crowd which is bad don't get me wrong but again nearly everyone did it

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The group mentality that year was absolutely shocking. Even saint Pete had a part in it

Pete was the only one who treated Shahbaz as a human

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I can't remember anyone trying to compare Helen and Nikki? I haven't seen anyone say they're just as bad as each other, just that what Nikki has done, along with her track record, doesn't fit the whole 'sweetness and light miss innocent, butter couldn't melt' routine.

Who ever said Nikki was sweetness and light or miss innocent? Everyone knows she's a total diva

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

I felt Liam alluded at it despite Richard being his BB7 fave (I love Richard but he was awful in week 1)

RE Shahbaz I don't think Nikki had a problem with him but she went along with the crowd which is bad don't get me wrong but again nearly everyone did it

Yes, because Shahbaz was quite literally insane. He needed to be removed from the house for the safety of others.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Pete was the only one who treated Shahbaz as a human

He never stood up for him at first though, which tbh made him nearly as bad as the ones actively trying to hurt him :S

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Have you been following this thread? Other people have brought up Helen as someone who if she did this would be subject to widespread criticism. That's why people are posting about what Helen has done and how much worse it was.

Yes, I have. The post I was quoting was responding to a post specifically highlighting Nikki's nasty moments in BB7, hence why I'd expect a "defence" of her to actually consist of more than "Helen was worse".

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

She's been funny, unique, clever and just generally amusing.

But seriously now, these threads are going round in circles. We know some people hate Nikki more than they like laughter, and I think it's a crying shame.

She's also been spiteful and malicious, but let's forget all about that because she happens to be funny at other times.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

I felt Liam alluded at it despite Richard being his BB7 fave (I love Richard but he was awful in week 1)

The difference being, if i can't find a reason to excuse my favourites behavious, i don't excuse it, no matter how much I like them

[bbfan1991]

Where as I loathed everything about Aisleyne, her personality, her fake ghetto black girl wannabe act. Granted she was a good housemate, but I found her very overrated. She's not a BB legend, but she did have an impact.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

I felt Liam alluded at it despite Richard being his BB7 fave (I love Richard but he was awful in week 1)

RE Shahbaz I don't think Nikki had a problem with him but she went along with the crowd which is bad don't get me wrong but again nearly everyone did it

I do agree that everyone involved were as bad as each other, I don't at all think Nikki was any worse. My problem is that she wasn't any better either, and the amount of glee she took out of the nastiness really stuck out too.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Nikki kinda sucks sometimes and Helen really sucks all the time, idk what there is to debate about

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yes, I have. The post I was quoting was responding to a post specifically highlighting Nikki's nasty moments in BB7, hence why I'd expect a "defence" of her to actually consist of more than "Helen was worse".



She's also been spiteful and malicious, but let's forget all about that because she happens to be funny at other times.

Spiteful and malicious.

[Amy Jade]

I don't like Jack but idk I think she's being a bit mean convincing him he's loved and he's going to find out he's not, I mean if put myself in his position he's in now I'd be gutted to get boos.

Although I can't say I'd be deluded enough to believe I was popular

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Spiteful and malicious.

Yes.

If specifically saying you want to do something to "hurt him more" isn't malicious, I've no idea what is.

[bbfan1991]

Jack has put himself in that position though...

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I do agree that everyone involved were as bad as each other, I don't at all think Nikki was any worse. My problem is that she wasn't any better either, and the amount of glee she took out of the nastiness really stuck out too.

Do you ever consider what it was actually like to live with Shahbaz? It doesn't justify it, but seriously... Some people are so determined to make a victim out of people, they don't care how unbelievably irritating a person is and the possibility that they really did bring their own isolation on themselves (unlike Harry)

[Jack_]

This is quite spiteful but it is funny

The main point here though is that the hatred for Jack from both the legends and the fans is completely over the top and unjustified. He really isn't that bad a housemate. Especially when Cristian exists

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I don't like Jack but idk I think she's being a bit mean convincing him he's loved and he's going to find out he's not, I mean if put myself in his position he's in now I'd be gutted to get boos.

Although I can't say I'd be deluded enough to believe I was popular

Being voted the winner in the first (?) week...I can see why hes so full of himself. However, he should know the BB audience is fickle as ****..and rarely do early faves remain popular