[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niall

Why is it a complicated subject? There are scores of queer people in society and kids are going to meet them no matter what, so why should gay people be censored from children's television? Queer people are a normal part of life just as the sun rising is, and quite frankly anyone who thinks they shouldn't be included reeks of homophobia to me.

..also following on from what Caitlin has said Niall.../complicated also because for people working in any capacity in Children's TV...if the decision to have gay characters which they may be in total agreement with themselves etc...also meant a 'mass switch off' by parents..?..then that could be a loss of job and livelihood for them as well/so lots of perspectives to think about...?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Yes
AProducer'sWetDream, armand.kay, Ashley., Chaos, Chewy, Dollface, extracheezz, Jarrod, Jay., JoshBB, kirklancaster, Kizzy, LemonJam, letmein, lostalex, Lostie!, LukeB, MB., Natalie., Shaun, Smithy, Tøm, Who Is She?, Will1999, Withano, Xtopher

No
LeatherTrumpet

welp

As said LT doesn't believe religion should be taught either before any silly accusations begin.

[lostalex]

sex has no more to do with gay love than it does with straight love. so why is it too sexual to have gay characters showing love in a story than it is for straight characters to show love? The vast majority of disney movies include a heterosexual love story, but no one complains it's too sexual.

Since when is love and romance overtly sexual?

Maybe we should arrest all straight parents who dare to hug or kiss in front of their own kids. But if 2 men hug and kiss in front of kids it's too sexual?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Yes
AProducer'sWetDream, armand.kay, Ashley., Chaos, Chewy, Dollface, extracheezz, Jarrod, Jay., JoshBB, kirklancaster, Kizzy, LemonJam, letmein, lostalex, Lostie!, LukeB, MB., Natalie., Shaun, Smithy, Tøm, Who Is She?, Will1999, Withano, Xtopher

No
LeatherTrumpet

welp

Hey, it's a public poll... very interesting.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..also following on from what Caitlin has said Niall.../complicated also because for people working in any capacity in Children's TV...if the decision to have gay characters which they may be in total agreement with themselves etc...also meant a 'mass switch off' by parents..?..then that could be a loss of job and livelihood for them as well/so lots of perspectives to think about...?...

Would that not be pandering to the bigots? It's not a progressive society if nothing ever changes, we have these new laws to promote equality yet there is nothing to celebrate it or instill it as an acceptable social norm.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Would that not be pandering to the bigots? It's not a progressive society if nothing ever changes, we have these new laws to promote equality yet there is nothing to celebrate it or instill it as an acceptable social norm.

It would definitely be pandering to bigots. no doubt about it.

maybe with the new influx of muslim refugees we can't show anyone eating pork on TV, because they might boycott. No more Pork or Bacon dishes on Masterchef, the muslims might get offended.

since when is it okay to limit people just because of IDIOTIC religious beliefs?? do we live in a free world or not???

[Kizzy]

* peppa looks around nervously*

[Northern Monkey]

I voted no as a general vote.But i'm not totally against it.I think it depends on the age range that these shows are aimed at really.I'd say no for shows aimed at really young kids who have'nt even learned about the birds and the bees yet and about relationships in general.I think it could just confuse them and also raise questions that the parents are'nt ready to answer yet.I mean maybe if there was a warning at the start so the parents could choose wether their kids watch or not then that would be ok but without knowing which shows this would be in then parents have no control over when their kids are exposed to it.
I think parents need to be in control of when they decide to educate their children on certain subjects and wether their kids are ready or not,Kids mature at different rates.Also when kids do sex education at school and learn about what men and women do to make babies it could raise questions about what men and men or women and women do and i don't think alot of parents or teachers would be
A.knowledgable enough
or
B.would want to have to try and explain it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I don't see why not, kids only get confused when adults confuse them

That is a brilliant point Niamh. I agree.

[Firewire]

If I had grew up seeing gay people in TV shows it would certainly make life a lot easier. It shouldn't be taboo.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I voted no as a general vote.But i'm not totally against it.I think it depends on the age range that these shows are aimed at really.I'd say no for shows aimed at really young kids who have'nt even learned about the birds and the bees yet and about relationships in general.I think it could just confuse them and also raise questions that the parents are'nt ready to answer yet.I mean maybe if there was a warning at the start so the parents could choose wether their kids watch or not then that would be ok but without knowing which shows this would be in then parents have no control over when their kids are exposed to it.
I think parents need to be in control of when they decide to educate their children on certain subjects and wether their kids are ready or not,Kids mature at different rates.Also when kids do sex education at school and learn about what men and women do to make babies it could raise questions about what men and men or women and women do and i don't think alot of parents or teachers would be
A.knowledgable enough
or
B.would want to have to try and explain it.

That is a very good point

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rainbow had Bungle and he was as gay as a blade


Its been around for years but most folks on here are too young to realise



and the fecking show was called RAINBOW

[LemonJam]

I really don't understand the "they may not want to expose their children to that" argument because:

1. The LGBT community aren't bloody lepers.
2. They're going to find out that some people are LGBT anyway, especially now considering the big leaps forward in visibility of LGBT people and issues over the last 5 years.
3. If you're going to hide the non-harmful realities of life from your children just because you don't agree with it or don't want to explain it to them then you're kind of a homophobe and not exactly showing signs of being a good parent.

[gamepodfan]

smtv had a gay person brian downing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

I really don't understand the "they may not want to expose their children to that" argument because:

1. The LGBT community aren't bloody lepers.
2. They're going to find out that some people are LGBT anyway, especially now considering the big leaps forward in visibility of LGBT people and issues over the last 5 years.
3. If you're going to hide the non-harmful realities of life from your children just because you don't agree with it or don't want to explain it to them then you're kind of a homophobe and not exactly showing signs of being a good parent.

True, just how sexualised is kids TV anyway, what gory questions could it possibly throw up?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

I really don't understand the "they may not want to expose their children to that" argument because:

1. The LGBT community aren't bloody lepers.
2. They're going to find out that some people are LGBT anyway, especially now considering the big leaps forward in visibility of LGBT people and issues over the last 5 years.
3. If you're going to hide the non-harmful realities of life from your children just because you don't agree with it or don't want to explain it to them then you're kind of a homophobe and not exactly showing signs of being a good parent.

There are some realities of life that parents like to ease their kids into and teach at a rate that they feel is beneficial to THEIR child.
All kids are different.Relationships can be complicated enough.I think letting parents choose themselves when and how to explain certain things based on their understanding of their own childs level of maturity is crucial.
For instance i have'nt explained homosexuality to my 3 going on 4 year old yet,Not because i'm a bad parent but because he's most certainly not ready,He does'nt even ask about straight relationships yet.For him it's not even an issue at the moment.However if he saw on telly say two princes kissing each other in a cartoon for instance then i would be put in a position where i'd have to try and explain it to him before i feel he could understand and is ready.
PS nobody is saying LGBT people are lepers.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by gamepodfan

smtv had a gay person brian downing

Nothing against that.I think it's more about showing same sex relationships in cartoons.

[Crimson Dynamo]

tbh its the parents job to teach the children about this not a bloody cartoon

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There are some realities of life that parents like to ease their kids into and teach at a rate that they feel is beneficial to THEIR child.
All kids are different.Relationships can be complicated enough.I think letting parents choose themselves when and how to explain certain things based on their understanding of their own childs level of maturity is crucial.
For instance i have'nt explained homosexuality to my 3 going on 4 year old yet,Not because i'm a bad parent but because he's most certainly not ready,He does'nt even ask about straight relationships yet.For him it's not even an issue at the moment.However if he saw on telly say two princes kissing each other in a cartoon for instance then i would be put in a position where i'd have to try and explain it to him before i feel he could understand and is ready.
PS nobody is saying LGBT people are lepers.

..I don't actually think that romantic kissing is shown on children's TV anyway, is it...but there would certainly never be any sexual content anyway..so if that question was asked..whether heterosexual or homosexual related, it would just surely be 'because they love each other/are married'..etc...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I voted no as a general vote.But i'm not totally against it.I think it depends on the age range that these shows are aimed at really.I'd say no for shows aimed at really young kids who have'nt even learned about the birds and the bees yet and about relationships in general.I think it could just confuse them and also raise questions that the parents are'nt ready to answer yet.I mean maybe if there was a warning at the start so the parents could choose wether their kids watch or not then that would be ok but without knowing which shows this would be in then parents have no control over when their kids are exposed to it.
I think parents need to be in control of when they decide to educate their children on certain subjects and wether their kids are ready or not,Kids mature at different rates.Also when kids do sex education at school and learn about what men and women do to make babies it could raise questions about what men and men or women and women do and i don't think alot of parents or teachers would be
A.knowledgable enough
or
B.would want to have to try and explain it.

...well all teachers will have sex education training and go on courses first because the 'knowledge' is mainly how it's delivered for understanding as well..and explaining any type of sex education/whatever the sexuality..?..non would be any more difficult than another...

[Ammi]

...a gay couple I know have just adopted children/not babies but slightly older children ...they're parents are both male and yet, they won't see two male parents or same sex parents on their TV shows so that may make them feel 'different' ...and that shouldn't be the case.../anyways, yeah interesting and complicated...

[Tom4784]

If you're happy enough with straight romances being played out on Kids' TV then there's no valid argument against gay relationships really.

[Ninastar]

That's a good point. It's hard enough to teach children about sex education, but omg, imagine them having to teach about gay/lesbian sex, when most of them don't really know how it's done in the first place. Well, not properly anyway.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There are some realities of life that parents like to ease their kids into and teach at a rate that they feel is beneficial to THEIR child.
All kids are different.Relationships can be complicated enough.I think letting parents choose themselves when and how to explain certain things based on their understanding of their own childs level of maturity is crucial.
For instance i have'nt explained homosexuality to my 3 going on 4 year old yet,Not because i'm a bad parent but because he's most certainly not ready,He does'nt even ask about straight relationships yet.For him it's not even an issue at the moment.However if he saw on telly say two princes kissing each other in a cartoon for instance then i would be put in a position where i'd have to try and explain it to him before i feel he could understand and is ready.
PS nobody is saying LGBT people are lepers.

Yeah, that's totally understandable for that age range (don't worry I'm not calling you a bad parent for not explaining sexuality to a 3 year old sorry if it came off that way). I do think that there should be LGBT visibility in childrens shows for ages 7+ where they probably would be able to understand it more and there definitely should be more visibility needed approaching adolescence where young people may begin to realise their sexuality and won't feel so alone growing up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you're happy enough with straight romances being played out on Kids' TV then there's no valid argument against gay relationships really.

as long as its around 5% of the time to reflect reality