[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

You know it smacks of some sort of Napoleon complex ironically...
There's Russia, the US, China, France and god knows who else ( who incidentally have just cause) there and we charge in as if we can save the day? :/

You mean, we joined the coalition of allies. All 60 of them. A democratic vote was taken, I'm sure souls were searched. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean for a minute that the decision was taken lightly or cavalierly.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

But Dezzy
Labour back this as well

They're morons for doing so.

Like Kizzy said, there are at least four other countries that are better equipped to deal with the situation already working on it. We can offer nothing new that can't be done by France, Russia, The US or China.

We're pissing money up the wall for no good reason. We are not needed at this point in time.

[Northern Monkey]

This strike will have been planned well before the vote happened.The RAF were just waiting for the politicians to get their act together so they could get in the fight and start kicking some terrorist asses.I'm sure our generals know exactly what their plans are.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They're morons for doing so.

Like Kizzy said, there are at least four other countries that are better equipped to deal with the situation already working on it. We can offer nothing new that can't be done by France, Russia, The US or China.

We're pissing money up the wall for no good reason. We are not needed at this point in time.

I think the security services, the Ministry of Defence, the government and all our allies beg to differ.

[Northern Monkey]

You think we are just going to send millions of pounds of fully armed fighter/bomber up there without any planning before hand??

Seriously?

[Crimson Dynamo]

a muckle great fighter jet flew down my valley at around 300 feet or so when I was out there, scared the bejeezuz out of me

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think the security services, the Ministry of Defence, the government and all our allies beg to differ.

What can we do that isn't already being done by the other countries that are already on it?

I see nobody has bothered with my point about budgets either, We only just barely saved tax credits, the NHS is in danger and public services are being slashed across the board. Why are we getting involved in a war that we aren't needed when we've had to fight to keep basic services and benefits alive?

It's all about ego and grandstanding and nothing more.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They're morons for doing so.

Like Kizzy said, there are at least four other countries that are better equipped to deal with the situation already working on it. We can offer nothing new that can't be done by France, Russia, The US or China.

We're pissing money up the wall for no good reason. We are not needed at this point in time.

The UK has technology far superior in certain areas to other coalition partners. Each coalition partner offers different things. Thats why coalitions work.

So it is completely incorrect to suggest we are not needed and that money is being pissed away.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't believe you actually think that, Drew. All the politicians who voted, all the military top brass putting our servicemen in harms way, the pilots themselves... only doing it because they are desperate to get in on the act? Bombing the oilfields so that funding to IS is cut off sounds like a plan to me.

We are just one of a coalition of nations. No one wants to go war, least of all those who will be fighting it on our behalf.

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

this is a continuation of the bombing, what has changed is that we have now moved into Syria

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

We hit ISIS capability to earn income. Please tell me how that was either inappropriate or unplanned.

It was exactly the type of resources that were highlighted that would be targeted.

Agree with all of this. UK has been on high terror alert for months this doesn't change anything, moving from bombing Iraq to Syria isn't such a huge step

[Vicky.]

I would love to know where the money is coming from too tbh, given how we are apparently broke and such. Not completely sure, but I would bet even one strike costs 500k or upwards, 6 last night wasnt it?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

You think we are just going to send millions of pounds of fully armed fighter/bomber up there without any planning before hand??

Seriously?

No, there's plans in place but they aren't going to be any more effective than what's already being done.

Our involvement changes nothing and it only hurts us in the long run.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What can we do that isn't already being done by the other countries that are already on it?

I see nobody has bothered with my point about budgets either, We only just barely saved tax credits, the NHS is in danger and public services are being slashed across the board. Why are we getting involved in a war that we aren't needed when we've had to fight to keep basic services and benefits alive?

It's all about ego and grandstanding and nothing more.

I don't know what we can do that isn't already being done because I am not a strategist, and neither are you.

Whose ego are you talking about? Who is grandstanding? Sending young men to war has got to be one of the most serious, scary things ever. I see no grandstanding AT ALL.

We are never going to agree on this. I still adore you though x

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What can we do that isn't already being done by the other countries that are already on it?

I see nobody has bothered with my point about budgets either, We only just barely saved tax credits, the NHS is in danger and public services are being slashed across the board. Why are we getting involved in a war that we aren't needed when we've had to fight to keep basic services and benefits alive?

It's all about ego and grandstanding and nothing more.

Don't be silly Dezzy, I know that several other countries including three superpowers are already tackling ISIS but, evidently, they aren't making any progress. It's time for the real muscle to step in and sort all of this out. The mother trucking UK goddamnit!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

The UK has technology far superior in certain areas to other coalition partners. Each coalition partner offers different things. Thats why coalitions work.

So it is completely incorrect to suggest we are not needed and that money is being pissed away.

Exactly, we have all of the best toys, our uncle even got us some of the bestest ones that aren't even out in the shops yet coz he works at the factory! We are sooo cool and our dad could EASILY beat up ISIS's dad because our dad does karate and is actually a black belt actually so watch it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know what we can do that isn't already being done because I am not a strategist, and neither are you.

Whose ego are you talking about? Who is grandstanding? Sending young men to war has got to be one of the most serious, scary things ever. I see no grandstanding AT ALL.

We are never going to agree on this. I still adore you though x

All we can offer is more bombs and that's not going to bring an end to the conflict. We should have stayed out of it until we were in a better position to contribute in a more meaningful manner. I just don't see the benefits of getting involved at this point.

Cameron's and the people who voted with him, they want to be seen as some sort of conquering heroes when in reality they're pissing away money we don't have.

()

[Vicky.]

Also until this debate yesterday I didnt know we were still bombing Iraq?! Either that was kept quiet or I don't watch enough news

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think the security services, the Ministry of Defence, the government and all our allies beg to differ.

So what's the plan... that was the big hold up initially that they had no argument for intervention, other than cameron striding about shouting 'terrorist sympathiser' at anyone who questioned his proposal.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also until this debate yesterday I didnt know we were still bombing Iraq?! Either that was kept quiet or I don't watch enough news

Correct

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What can we do that isn't already being done by the other countries that are already on it?

I see nobody has bothered with my point about budgets either, We only just barely saved tax credits, the NHS is in danger and public services are being slashed across the board. Why are we getting involved in a war that we aren't needed when we've had to fight to keep basic services and benefits alive?

It's all about ego and grandstanding and nothing more.

I agree, we've put a price on our heads and one attack could effectively cripple our existing wafer thin infrastructure.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

The UK has technology far superior in certain areas to other coalition partners. Each coalition partner offers different things. Thats why coalitions work.

So it is completely incorrect to suggest we are not needed and that money is being pissed away.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

I agree, we've put a price on our heads and one attack could effectively cripple our existing wafer thin infrastructure.

We already had a price on our heads 7/7, Lee Rigby and all the thwarted attempts? We have been on high alert for months nothing has changed

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Don't be silly Dezzy, I know that several other countries including three superpowers are already tackling ISIS but, evidently, they aren't making any progress. It's time for the real muscle to step in and sort all of this out. The mother trucking UK goddamnit!

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Exactly, we have all of the best toys, our uncle even got us some of the bestest ones that aren't even out in the shops yet coz he works at the factory! We are sooo cool and our dad could EASILY beat up ISIS's dad because our dad does karate and is actually a black belt actually so watch it.

Don't be ridiculous TS. The isn't Chat and Games.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

All we can offer is more bombs and that's not going to bring an end to the conflict. We should have stayed out of it until we were in a better position to contribute in a more meaningful manner. I just don't see the benefits of getting involved at this point.

Cameron's and the people who voted with him, they want to be seen as some sort of conquering heroes when in reality they're pissing away money we don't have.

()

No one who sends other people to war can ever be considered heroes, even when we win.

x

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

So what's the plan... that was the big hold up initially that they had no argument for intervention, other than cameron striding about shouting 'terrorist sympathiser' at anyone who questioned his proposal.

I don't know the plan. And furthermore, even if I did I wouldn't be writing it on a Big Brother forum. We're not supposed to know the plan or what would be the point?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

All we can offer is more bombs and that's not going to bring an end to the conflict. We should have stayed out of it until we were in a better position to contribute in a more meaningful manner. I just don't see the benefits of getting involved at this point.

The benefits are purely political; it's a show of solidarity, favours in the back pocket for later. That's literally all it can be and, because David Cameron is David Cameron... Or rather, let's face it, because politics is politics - that's definitely what this is.

There is no conceivable military or tactical benefit to dropping a couple of "me too" bombs. This is fairly evident from pretty much all of the coverage of this charade. It went through for two reasons; the first is a bit if good old fashioned vengeful fist pumping and ego (let's sort this rabble out lads! Pip Pip!) and the second is high level Tories guilting and shaming to rake in votes for the above mentioned political reasons.