[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why should BOTS divulge very personal details on a PUBLIC FORUM and potentially endanger himself and his family just to satisfy baiters? Because baiting is EXACTLY what you and others are now doing - you have been answered now by BOTS numerous times in detailed and civil responses but you continue to ask the same questions and continue to demand proof of what he is saying, which is nothing more than insult.

He doesn't have to divulge anything. I just said that. He can then expect his vague statements to be roundly disregarded. This is a perfectly reasonable stance Kirk, we could all claim to be anything at all and then say "I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO YOU!" when questioned but it would all get a bit silly, wouldn't it?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

He doesn't have to divulge anything. I just said that. He can then expect his vague statements to be roundly disregarded. This is a perfectly reasonable stance Kirk, we could all claim to be anything at all and then say "I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO YOU!" when questioned but it would all get a bit silly, wouldn't it?

I would be grateful if you would simply drop the antics and schoolboy rhetoric and waffle, and just discuss and debate for once, or go on Chat and games.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And mockery of a member who is known and appreciated for her moderate views, sincerity and inoffensiveness, is the default actions of the ignorant and arrogant.

I will conceed that that one was a low blow. Fair enough. I do like Ammi. Sorry, Ammi

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That's the default vocabulary of fence-sitting though, isn't it.

..or someone who doesn't know whether my opinion of there not being increased air strikes would be the right thing either because none of us do know, how could we possibly know that..so yes there are lots of maybes because there is no black or white/right or wrong with this as there isn't with many things and as you yourself have said many times...you can be as personal as you want with me or anyone else in your character assessments, but all that does is make you look very childish and silly indeed, which is quite a surprise for someone who seems to have a reasonable intelligences...so carry on because any debate (yet again..)..becomes impossible in this thread as it's all about some kind of point scoring...even above any thought of the people who have been killed by the bombs as was shown yesterday....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I would be grateful if you would simply drop the antics and schoolboy rhetoric and waffle, and just discuss and debate for once, or go on Chat and games.

It's not schoolboy rhetoric and waffle kirk, like I said it's a very clear and very reasonable stance when it comes to any debate. If someone isn't prepared to divulge the nature of their experience, then ignoring vaguely stated things like "Trust me, I have experience" is perfectly valid. In fact, I have no idea why anyone would take a statement like that at face value?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I will conceed that that one was a low blow. Fair enough. I do like Ammi. Sorry, Ammi

....oooops, I didn't see that..(I'm a slow typist..)...anyways, the attention is lovely but I am doing a pub quiz atm and trying to fully focus on that so haven't got time really to reciprocate any further...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

How many personal comments have been made about me in this thread now?

I stated that the military strategy I quoted is standard stuff, freely available in the public domain, which it is. If its being questioned, its easy enough to verify if one takes the time to do so.

To me this suggests that you just did a quick search for your info, no esoteric knowledge required :/

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, I wondered how long it would take for someone to basically say 'you're a mod! if you don't agree with what I say then you're BULLYING ME' or whatever bull**** people come out with.

and right on cue, you play the .... everyone criticises me because I'm a Mod card

If it was an unusual occurrence, then you may have some justification, but its not, is it. I've seen loads pass similar comments. If that was me, I would be asking ... what is it in my posts that keep getting that response

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..or someone who doesn't know whether my opinion of there not being increased air strikes would be the right thing either because none of us do know, how could we possibly know that..so yes there are lots of maybes because there is no black or white/right or wrong with this as there isn't with many things and as you yourself have said many times...you can be as personal as you want with me or anyone else in your character assessments, but all that does is make you look very childish and silly indeed, which is quite a surprise for someone who seems to have a reasonable intelligences...so carry on because any debate (yet again..)..becomes impossible in this thread as it's all about some kind of point scoring...even above any thought of the people who have been killed by the bombs as was shown yesterday....

So you're allowed to say we went to war on a maybe, and you're right and fair and fragrant... if I'd said that I would get an avalanche of posts that begin SO WOULD YOU RATHER WE WERE ALL KILLED IN OUR BEDS KIZZ? HMMMMM.. COZ THAT'S WORREL APPEN!!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

It's not schoolboy rhetoric and waffle kirk, like I said it's a very clear and very reasonable stance when it comes to any debate. If someone isn't prepared to divulge the nature of their experience, then ignoring vaguely stated things like "Trust me, I have experience" is perfectly valid. In fact, I have no idea why anyone would take a statement like that at face value?

T.S - Come off it, unlike some, you have NO excuses, because you are a highly intelligent man capable of sincere and very lucid posts. I have often applauded your posts even when your sentiments expressed in them did not exactly parallel my own stance BECAUSE they were intelligent and well expressed.

Some of your posts on here fall way, way below that standard and - in my opinion - are nothing but piss takes, mockery, or baiting.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

and right on cue, you play the .... everyone criticises me because I'm a Mod card

If it was an unusual occurrence, then you may have some justification, but its not, is it. I've seen loads pass similar comments. If that was me, I would be asking ... what is it in my posts that keep getting that response

I honestly don't think this is fair, I've seen Dezzy have heated disagreements with a lot of people but I've literally not once seen him try to use infractions / post deletion or any other mod privilege for selfish reasons or any suggestion or intimation that he might. If it's literally just because he has opinions and his name is green, then that's purely an issue for the person who is making it an issue.

I personally couldn't give a toss if someone's name is green, blue, purple or a full rainbow spectrum. No offence intended mods and admins .

Edited to add: and this is not just because I happen to mostly agree in this thread, I think his stance on feminism is guff but never felt like he would abuse mod privileges in those threads either

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

T.S - Come off it, unlike some, you have NO excuses, because you are a highly intelligent man capable of sincere and very lucid posts. I have often applauded your posts even when your sentiments expressed in them did not exactly paralell my own stance BECAUSE they were intelligent and well expressed.

Some of your posts on here fall way, way below that standard and - in my opinion - are nothing but piss takes, mockery, or baiting.

Let he who is without sin....

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

So you're allowed to say we went to war on a maybe, and you're right and fair and fragrant... if I'd said that I would get an avalanche of posts that begin SO WOULD YOU RATHER WE WERE ALL KILLED IN OUR BEDS KIZZ? HMMMMM.. COZ THAT'S WORREL APPEN!!

What has Ammi being 'fragrant' got to do with anything - more mockery.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Let he who is without sin....

Which part of the internet did that gem hail from?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

T.S - Come off it, unlike some, you have NO excuses, because you are a highly intelligent man capable of sincere and very lucid posts. I have often applauded your posts even when your sentiments expressed in them did not exactly paralell my own stance BECAUSE they were intelligent and well expressed.

Some of your posts on here fall way, way below that standard and - in my opinion - are nothing but piss takes, mockery, or baiting.

This thread has gone bad like an old pear Kirk, let's not pretend any of us are smelling like roses. When words like "traitor" are being thrown around its time to either bow out gracefully or just accept that it's a mucky thread and have a roll around in the gutter... Right? If we ain't got that, then their ain't nuttin worth fightin fo.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What has Ammi being 'fragrant' got to do with anything.

Genuinely made me smile this one. I think Ammi probably smells like jasmine and cheerios. That's just the vibe I get.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Which part of the internet did that gem hail from?

The same part bots gets his military strategies from.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What has Ammi being 'fragrant' got to do with anything - more mockery.

fragrant
[frey-gruh nt]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
having a pleasant scent or aroma; sweet-smelling; sweet-scented:
a fragrant rose.
2.
delightful; pleasant:
fragrant memories.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

fragrant
[frey-gruh nt]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
having a pleasant scent or aroma; sweet-smelling; sweet-scented:
a fragrant rose.
2.
delightful; pleasant:
fragrant memories.

I know better than you what Fragrance means and did not ask for any definition - I queried why you used the word to describe Ammi when its use was so incongruous in the context of the post in which you had used it, but more so given your earlier inexcusable mocking post which was removed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I know better than you what Fragrance means and did not ask for any definition - I queried why you used the word to describe Ammi when its use was so incongruous in the context of the post in which you had used it, but more so given your earlier inexcusable mocking post which was removed.

You know everything better than me so I'm not surprised...
Stick to the topic, if Ammi has an issue with anything she will query my post herself, you don't have to police the forum.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Merry Kizzmas;8338501]You know everything better than me so I'm not surprised...


TRUE.

"Stick to the topic, if Ammi has an issue with anything she will query my post herself, you don't have to police the forum."


This is soooooo rich coming from you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is soooooo rich coming from you.

'Some of your posts on here fall way, way below that standard and - in my opinion - are nothing but piss takes, mockery, or baiting.'

[AnnieK]

Wow...this thread is so toxic. Wouldn't say it was a debate now just who can be as offensive as possible in a passive aggressive way whilst saying "I told you so" and "I'm right and you're wrong". I'm actually thinking of taking my chances and moving to Syria.

I change my mind almost daily on this subject. I don't honestly know enough about the subject to comment on the legality of the strikes or the possibility of what outcome this may or may not have but I can see pros and cons at the moment. I do think those who voted were in an no win situation, they sit and do nothing and a terrorist attack happens on UK soil and they should have done more, they go in and attacking and an attack happens here and it's because we intervened. I am personally so pleased not to have been expected to make a yes or no vote in this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Wow...this thread is so toxic. Wouldn't say it was a debate now just who can be as offensive as possible in a passive aggressive way whilst saying "I told you so" and "I'm right and you're wrong". I'm actually thinking of taking my chances and moving to Syria.

I change my mind almost daily on this subject. I don't honestly know enough about the subject to comment on the legality of the strikes or the possibility of what outcome this may or may not have but I can see pros and cons at the moment. I do think those who voted were in an no win situation, they sit and do nothing and a terrorist attack happens on UK soil and they should have done more, they go in and attacking and an attack happens here and it's because we intervened. I am personally so pleased not to have been expected to make a yes or no vote in this.

That would be me #notsorry

I didn't think they were
I don't think they now
Do I feel justified saying that?
Yes.

[Ammi]

...you know what sickens me the most about this thread and what is effectively being said, which is why I was sickened by it yesterday and looks as though it will go on and on and on and on and on because last word is everything...of some who don't support the air strikes..(of which I am also a non supporter ..)...all of the I'm right and the gloating and the puffing of feathers etc and whichever whay you want to put it or spin it, is at the expense of those civilians who have been killed in the strikes, which was mentioned yesterday....no thought for them whatsoever, just a satisfaction at being right..(which no one is anyway, only a few days into a long extensive military action where any effectiveness or lack of/outcome isn't yet known..)...it's like someone, saying...'don't do that, it's dangerous/don't drive like that' or whatever and then something tragic and awful happening and saying I told you so/I told them so and having a satisfaction about it because they 'felt right' and very proud to say so...where is the pride in a loss of any life....people are dead and all some care about is who's right and who's wrong, it's staggering the coldness of it all and the absolute arrogance and self importance of an internet thread...there are no 'winners' in this, we know that in the UK and the whole world knows that because innocent people will die..../either way, innocent people will die and either way, have already...