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Old 13-07-2007, 07:40 AM #1
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Default Smoking in front of your children in a confined space - (Should it be illegal in your own home?)

I go round to a friends house and see him and his partner and they also have three children, ranging from 2 years old, 6 years old and 12 years old.

The parents are both smokers, very heavy ones and they will all sit down in the Living Room which is pretty small, the door is shut and both of the parents are smoking constantly and while they are all watching TV or whatever, the children are being subjected to passive Cigarette smoke.

Breathing all that smoke into their young lungs

I HATE THIS LIKE MAmad:

It is totally unfair and cruelty beyond belief. DON'T SMOKERS UNDERSTAND??

They don't even open the door or a window, because they say it is drafty!!!!!

What about their children, who have just learnt to put up with it?

If one has breathing difficulties and suffers from Asthma let's say, some parents don't take that into consideration.

I go round and refuse (point-blank) to be shut in a room, where smoke is there. I simply stand out of the way of the smoke-filled room. But, in the distant past, whereby I have a father who smoked and grans & grandads who smoked, I certainly remember well, when I was young being subjected to it.

This is nothing to do with the Smoking Ban in all public places.

This is to do with "Home-Life", namely, children between the ages of a (New born) to a (14 year old) let's say!!

Why should that be accepted? I know it's your own home, but if you mistreat a child, it could be taken away and placed into care.

So, subjecting a child to passive Cigarette smoke in a confined space, basically forcing them against their will to breathe in the smoke, should be looked into.

I know a young woman who changes her babies nappy, while having a cigarette in her mouth at the same time. Talk about lack of responsibility


This should be the Governments next agenda, in regards to giving non-smokers a chance in life to fight for the right to breathe clean air.







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hae you not mentioned this to your freind about howsmall the room is and the fact they are both smoking , is there not a window open . i do smokeand my husband but we smoke with the window wide open when they were younger we smoked outside.
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I suppose it is down to parents having respect for their children. I have not allowed smoking in my home since my children came along, so when I did smoke I never subjected my children to passive smoking. I used to say "I choose to smoke but my kids dont" neither of my children smoke and I think that is partly down to me being a responsible parent as a smoker.
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hae you not mentioned this to your freind about howsmall the room is and the fact they are both smoking , is there not a window open . i do smokeand my husband but we smoke with the window wide open when they were younger we smoked outside.
I have mentioned it to them, Sarah.

But they just say, "It won't kill them!!"

I don't agree with that comment and I think it is a disgrace personally and I am sure that the Government will be looking into this and it might be dealt with in the schools.

It is something worth thinking about, windows and doors let in a draft and the thought of stopping a draft, seems to outweigh the real problem.

Passive Cigarette smoke getting inhaled by younger members of the household.

It is hard for children to fight that war and I remember that argument years ago, which got no just-reply

The anti-smokers fight continues on





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I suppose it is down to parents having respect for their children. I have not allowed smoking in my home since my children came along, so when I did smoke I never subjected my children to passive smoking. I used to say "I choose to smoke but my kids dont" neither of my children smoke and I think that is partly down to me being a responsible parent as a smoker.
I wished every parent was like you Sunny and everyone should applaud that atitude

It is fair for someone to decide whether or not they wish to smoke, but when it comes to your children, that is when consideration should be adheared to.

But I know how many inconsiderate parents just let their children suffer, because they can.

This will be the next issue to get brought up.

The Government want's to take further control of our lives, but in this case, it is a just move.






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I hate it when smokers say "I should have the right to smoke, it's my life" cos it's the same for me "I should have the right NOT to smoke, it's my life you're threatening".... I haven't chose not to smoke, I just haven't done it. They've made a conscious decision to smoke so why should I negotiate my health for them cos they've lost all forms of control by not smoking in front of me.
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I hate it when smokers say "I should have the right to smoke, it's my life" cos it's the same for me "I should have the right NOT to smoke, it's my life you're threatening".... I haven't chose not to smoke, I just haven't done it. They've made a conscious decision to smoke so why should I negotiate my health for them cos they've lost all forms of control by not smoking in front of me.
I agree Lauren

But when you say that to your parents or grandparents, uncles, aunts whatever, they look at you and don't understand, because they are enjoying it so much.

But Children shouldn't be subjected to that and that is a form of abuse to children.

If someone leaves a Dog in the car on a hot day, without a window open, there are huge complaints.

But if three children are being subjected to Cigarette smoke in a closed confined environment, it seems to be different.

Well things are going to change and after the smoking ban in public places, surely this must be the next agenda.






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I suppose it is down to parents having respect for their children. I have not allowed smoking in my home since my children came along, so when I did smoke I never subjected my children to passive smoking. I used to say "I choose to smoke but my kids dont" neither of my children smoke and I think that is partly down to me being a responsible parent as a smoker.
I'm with you Sunny.

My house has been a no-smoking zone since my first child was born. I quit smoking when I was PG with my first, but I started again a few years later. Then I quit again when I was PG with my second child, and started again a few years after that. I have since quit (for good this time) about 3 years ago and haven't looked back.

However, even during the time that I was a smoker, I would sit on my doorstep to have a cig and then go and wash my hands before I dealt with the baby.

My husband still smokes, but he goes to the door to smoke because he chooses not to subject the kids to second hand smoke. Any visitors to my house must go to the door to smoke as well.

If my kids decide to become smokers when they are adults, then there's not much I can do about that, but up til then I can at least ensure that they aren't living in an atmosphere of second hand smoke.
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I hate it when smokers say "I should have the right to smoke, it's my life" cos it's the same for me "I should have the right NOT to smoke, it's my life you're threatening".... I haven't chose not to smoke, I just haven't done it. They've made a conscious decision to smoke so why should I negotiate my health for them cos they've lost all forms of control by not smoking in front of me.
I agree Lauren

But when you say that to your parents or grandparents, uncles, aunts whatever, they look at you and don't understand, because they are enjoying it so much.

But Children shouldn't be subjected to that and that is a form of abuse to children.

If someone leaves a Dog in the car on a hot day, without a window open, there are huge complaints.

But if three children are being subjected to Cigarette smoke in a closed confined environment, it seems to be different.

Well things are going to change and after the smoking ban in public places, surely this must be the next agenda.






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Banning smoking in the home would be a nightmare to enforce. You would need a police state to do so effectively....

The only real solution to children being exposed to passive smoking is a total ban on the manufacture and sale of cigarettes.

However. Bottom line is society cannot stop illegal drug taffiiking let alone cigarette smoking...

Alcohol kills many!!! Where do we stop when it come to banning things...

Those that drink in front of children you could say promote drinking to children. Should we ban all anti social habits to protect our children..!!!

Cigarettes kill. Yes. Alcohol kills. Yes.... Why do we discriminate between the two......One gets the red light the other gets the green light.......We all lead hypocritical lives.
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Oh god.

Public places are one thing, private property is another.

The government has no right to dictate to people what they can and can't do in their own home.
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Banning smoking in the home would be a nightmare to enforce. You would need a police state to do so effectively....
I think it would be sorted in the schools realistically. Children would see a psychologist or something similar every week, who would talk to each child and try to find out what is going on at home.

Naturally, they could deny it, but a trained psychologist, week in, week out would get the truth, one way or another.

Police state, well maybe?

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The only real solution to children being exposed to passive smoking is a total ban on the manufacture and sale of cigarettes.
Will never happen. It will just go underground, just like when America did prohibition.

We don't need that gangster society here.

Putting Cigarettes up by Ł1.00 per per packet per year extra in price is a start.

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However. Bottom line is society cannot stop illegal drug taffiiking let alone cigarette smoking...
Agreed!

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Alcohol kills many!!! Where do we stop when it come to banning things...
It's a long drawn out process to ban something like smoking in all public places. Where will it stop? who knows

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Those that drink in front of children you could say promote drinking to children.
Drinking is a separate issue and something which certainly has many problems

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Should we ban all anti social habits to protect our children..!!!
The Government is always interested in protecting children. That always comes first. When you get past 17 years old, you can forget special-help...

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Cigarettes kill. Yes. Alcohol kills. Yes.... Why do we discriminate between the two......One gets the red light the other gets the green light.......We all lead hypocritical lives.
Smoking is a terrible habit and every packet of Cigarettes has a warning of some kind.

"Smoking Kills" full stop.....

Drinking in moderation is okay. Binge-Drinking is not okay and that is the difference...

Anyway, the blanket ban is here and that is not enough in regards to our children breathing it in, in your own homes, where smoking seems commonplace in Lounges, where doors and windows are closed.

Do kids have a say?

NO.......







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unless you put cctv in your front room hooked up to M15 then yeah
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Banning smoking in the home would be a nightmare to enforce. You would need a police state to do so effectively....
I think it would be sorted in the schools realistically. Children would see a psychologist or something similar every week, who would talk to each child and try to find out what is going on at home.

Naturally, they could deny it, but a trained psychologist, week in, week out would get the truth, one way or another.

Police state, well maybe?

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The only real solution to children being exposed to passive smoking is a total ban on the manufacture and sale of cigarettes.
Will never happen. It will just go underground, just like when America did prohibition.

We don't need that gangster society here.

Putting Cigarettes up by Ł1.00 per per packet per year extra in price is a start.

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However. Bottom line is society cannot stop illegal drug taffiiking let alone cigarette smoking...
Agreed!

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Alcohol kills many!!! Where do we stop when it come to banning things...
It's a long drawn out process to ban something like smoking in all public places. Where will it stop? who knows

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Those that drink in front of children you could say promote drinking to children.
Drinking is a separate issue and something which certainly has many problems

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Should we ban all anti social habits to protect our children..!!!
The Government is always interested in protecting children. That always comes first. When you get past 17 years old, you can forget special-help...

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Cigarettes kill. Yes. Alcohol kills. Yes.... Why do we discriminate between the two......One gets the red light the other gets the green light.......We all lead hypocritical lives.
Smoking is a terrible habit and every packet of Cigarettes has a warning of some kind.

"Smoking Kills" full stop.....

Drinking in moderation is okay. Binge-Drinking is not okay and that is the difference...

Anyway, the blanket ban is here and that is not enough in regards to our children breathing it in, in your own homes, where smoking seems commonplace in Lounges, where doors and windows are closed.

Do kids have a say?

NO.......







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Drinking makes people drunk. Drunk drivers kill. Cigarettes kill. Cherry picking to ban what is fashionable is the rule of thumb.

Children go to school. Children sometimes get murdered at school. Children are sometimes driven to suicide from bullying at school. lets' ban schools....Lets ban everything that is dangerous. Why not just ban being born.....Now that will solve everything...
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Drinking makes people drunk. Drunk drivers kill. Cigarettes kill. Cherry picking to ban what is fashionable is the rule of thumb.

Children go to school. Children sometimes get murdered at school. Children are sometimes driven to suicide from bullying at school. lets' ban schools....Lets ban everything that is dangerous. Why not just ban being born.....Now that will solve everything...
No, the Government have chosen to ban smoking from all public places.

But sadly, it is not enough, when Children are being subjected to Passive Cigarette smoke in their own homes, by parents who just don't take their Childrens health or feelings into consideration.

This should be the next big step by the Government.

I don't understand too much else in your post, unless it's a rhyme or something sarcy





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This debate is starting to sound like the one about the smoking ban, I thought this was about smoking in front of children?

I also have a friend like yours Nick who smokes her head off in her house, in fact I never realised how bad it was until I gave up smoking, whenever I come out of her house I smell like a dirty ash tray so god knows how her poor children must feel.

If it was raining I was less likely to smoke, otherwise I stodd under a brolly in the rain to have a fag. I then had a conservatory built and decided it would be a room where we would have an occasional cigarette, after the first time I couldnt stand the smell of it in my home, even though it was a seperate room the smell seeped through and I hated it.

I never, ever wanted my children to breathe my 2nd hand smoke, I am intelligent enough to know that when I smoked it was very bad for me and I certainly didnt want to subject my kids to that. The same applies to others really I like to think I was a considerate smoker. In fact by the end I didnt smoke that much anyway as I hate the smell of it on myself.
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Drinking makes people drunk. Drunk drivers kill. Cigarettes kill. Cherry picking to ban what is fashionable is the rule of thumb.

Children go to school. Children sometimes get murdered at school. Children are sometimes driven to suicide from bullying at school. lets' ban schools....Lets ban everything that is dangerous. Why not just ban being born.....Now that will solve everything...
No, the Government have chosen to ban smoking from all public places.

But sadly, it is not enough, when Children are being subjected to Passive Cigarette smoke in their own homes, by parents who just don't take their Childrens health or feelings into consideration.

This should be the next big step by the Government.

I don't understand too much else in your post, unless it's a rhyme or something sarcy





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I think you mean this should be the next step by a dictatorship.

Exactly how can a ban in the home be enforced. CCTV in every home monitored by the anti smoking police brigade. Spying and reporting on friends and neighbours as they would in a communist Russia....

By the way i am not a smoker and I am anti smoking. I am also anti dictatorships that move laws that affect the activities in ones private home.

If banning the manufacture and sale cannot be achieved then the only none dictatorial free society solution is education education education.....Now where have I heard that saying before.....

Educating a cultural change yes. Dictatorial banning mentality of what ever is fashionable to ban . No....
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I think you mean this should be the next step by a dictatorship.

Exactly how can a ban in the home be enforced. CCTV in every home monitored by the anti smoking police brigade. Spying and reporting on friends and neighbours as they would in a communist Russia....

By the way i am not a smoker and I am anti smoking. I am also anti dictatorships that move laws that affect the activities in ones private home.

If banning the manufacture and sale cannot be achieved then the only none dictatorial free society solution is education education education.....Now where have I heard that saying before.....

Educating a cultural change yes. Dictatorial banning mentality of what ever is fashionable to ban . No....

I mentioned it above before, but I shall add it to this post:-


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I think it would be sorted in the schools realistically. Children would see a psychologist or something similar every week, who would talk to each child and try to find out what is going on at home.

Naturally, they could deny it, but a trained psychologist, week in, week out would get the truth, one way or another.
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Educating parents about the dangers of their children breathing in passive Cigarette smoke in their own home is always a positive.

But, sadly many parents have no care in the world, in regards to that kind of information or guidance.

If you have a child and you do not take care of that child, then it can be taken away temporarily into care.

The threat of that, usually makes many parents, stop, look, listen & think hard as it were.

What the Government needs to do, is make parents who are thoughtless to their Children and don't really care about them breathing in these toxic fumes, and give the parents something to think about instead.

A massive fine or the thought of social workers treading all over them, may make them realise.

The Government is always listening, when it comes to Child-care and Cigarettes are a big problem, which Gordon Brown will be bearing in mind.




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I think you mean this should be the next step by a dictatorship.

Exactly how can a ban in the home be enforced. CCTV in every home monitored by the anti smoking police brigade. Spying and reporting on friends and neighbours as they would in a communist Russia....

By the way i am not a smoker and I am anti smoking. I am also anti dictatorships that move laws that affect the activities in ones private home.

If banning the manufacture and sale cannot be achieved then the only none dictatorial free society solution is education education education.....Now where have I heard that saying before.....

Educating a cultural change yes. Dictatorial banning mentality of what ever is fashionable to ban . No....

I mentioned it above before, but I shall add it to this post:-


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I think it would be sorted in the schools realistically. Children would see a psychologist or something similar every week, who would talk to each child and try to find out what is going on at home.

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Educating parents about the dangers of their children breathing in passive Cigarette smoke in their own home is always a positive.

But, sadly many parents have no care in the world, in regards to that kind of information or guidance.

If you have a child and you do not take care of that child, then it can be taken away temporarily into care.

The threat of that, usually makes many parents, stop, look, listen & think hard as it were.

What the Government needs to do, is make parents who are thoughtless to their Children and don't really care about them breathing in these toxic fumes, and give the parents something to think about instead.

A massive fine or the thought of social workers treading all over them, may make them realise.

The Government is always listening, when it comes to Child-care and Cigarettes are a big problem, which Gordon Brown will be bearing in mind.




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You describe the perfect police state.....A massive fine which has to be enforced and at what cost. Assuming the ones fined massively have any money left after smoking it....Social workers treading all over them....Once again the description of police state mentality.


Toxic fumes also comes from transport.....Ok we will ban transport as well.....


QUOTE...Naturally, they could deny it, but a trained psychologist, week in, week out would get the truth, one way or another.




Brilliant I don't think. Where is the money coming from to pay for these trained people week after week after week....Group after group after group....

I suppose the Government could cancel defence spending and use it on psychologists instead.....
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You describe the perfect police state.....A massive fine which has to be enforced and at what cost. Assuming the ones fined massively have any money left after smoking it....Social workers treading all over them....Once again the description of police state mentality.
Fining will be a last resort and naturally, it will also depend on the finantial situation too.

Social workers intervene when necassary. It will be up to the parents to stop that from happening and show some consideration.


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Brilliant I don't think. Where is the money coming from to pay for these trained people week after week after week....Group after group after group....
Every School will have a trained Psychologist, which won't cost much more than a Teacher's salery. Not over the top, I assure you.

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It won't be such an expence and it will be a positive in the end.

The end justifies the means, especially in this case.






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I would take great exception to my children being interrogated by a trained psychologist every week over things that may or may not be happening at home.

It sounds like a nanny state and I would not be a part of it. The money needed for something of this size does not bare thinking about and I can certainly think of better places for the money to go.
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Parents shouldn't be able to smoke around their children in a small space, if they're going to smoke around them then they should open the window to let the smoke out or maybe just go and smoke in the garden.
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My dad quit smoking, and my mom smokes outside, I don't think it should be banned in peole's homes (I hate smoking but it's realy the person's choice if they want to smoke) But i do think that parents should think carefully about smoking in front, or around children. My opinion is that they should smoke outside, and educate the kids that smoking isn't big and stuff like that.
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I would take great exception to my children being interrogated by a trained psychologist every week over things that may or may not be happening at home.

It sounds like a nanny state and I would not be a part of it. The money needed for something of this size does not bare thinking about and I can certainly think of better places for the money to go.
I think "interrogated" is a bit harsh, even though we may use that word.

I also think that this idea maybe dealt with in schools, a lot less stringently than I described.

It is only an idea, of course and the Government may think of something else, but on similar lines to this.

Regarding "Not being part of a nanny state!", when the Government says, "Jump", parents will say, "How High!!"

The Government will always be happy to "Rob Peter, to pay Paul", in that or any other Circumstance....

The Government can always find money






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Parents shouldn't be able to smoke around their children in a small space, if they're going to smoke around them then they should open the window to let the smoke out or maybe just go and smoke in the garden.
I agree with you Matt

and I wish it were true in the majority of households, but I am pretty sure, it is NOT and it's that NOT & SELFISH factor, which will prompt any Government in looking into this particular problem.

I am sure, if, enough people inform the Health Secretery, it will get a mention in Parliament and this could be a winner politically

Helping Children get's votes.

Kills two birds with one stone, so to speak.....






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My dad quit smoking, and my mom smokes outside, I don't think it should be banned in peole's homes (I hate smoking but it's realy the person's choice if they want to smoke) But i do think that parents should think carefully about smoking in front, or around children. My opinion is that they should smoke outside, and educate the kids that smoking isn't big and stuff like that.

I don't think they should ban smoking in your own house either. Dezzy.

What is a better solution, is the one you have pointed out. More consideration around their children, who don't wish to be subjected to passive Cigarette smoke in the small confines of a room, like the Lounge.





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