[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What else happens in Bond films other than fight and love scenes and some bloke stalking around looking all suave drinking martinis..What's so 'white' about that?

Because the non white people are the villains. God Kizzy.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

So the next time they make another mohammed ali film i expect Tom Hardy to get that role because that would be the right thing to do. It works both ways.

I never knew Mohammed Ali was a fictional character.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

So the next time they make another mohammed ali film i expect Tom Hardy to get that role because that would be the right thing to do. It works both ways.

Speaks volumes that the first black character you could think of was based on a real person.

How many fictional black characters were the lead in movies?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

What next??? they will be demanding the next James Bond must be a chinese midget.

"They" aren't demanding anything of the sort.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Speaks volumes that the first black character you could think of was based on a real person.

How many fictional black characters were the lead in movies?

I'm not bothered who plays the lead role in any movie. As long as the movie entertains me thats all that matters. If people object to any movie because it doesn't reach a certain quota of different races then simply don't pay to watch it.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I'm not bothered who plays the lead role in any movie. As long as the movie entertains me thats all that matters. If people object to any movie because it doesn't reach a certain quota of different races then simply don't pay to watch it.

I'm already employing this philosophy...

this is exactly why I pirate everything

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I'm already employing this philosophy...

this is exactly why I pirate everything

snap

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I'm not bothered who plays the lead role in any movie. As long as the movie entertains me thats all that matters. If people object to any movie because it doesn't reach a certain quota of different races then simply don't pay to watch it.

You've just shown that you don't understand this thread at all. It's not about reaching 'quotas' it's about the fact that non-white actors are constantly marginalised in Hollywood and the Oscar noms are proof of this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I'm not bothered who plays the lead role in any movie. As long as the movie entertains me thats all that matters. If people object to any movie because it doesn't reach a certain quota of different races then simply don't pay to watch it.

It's not about reaching a quota within individual movies.

It's about giving non-white actors a chance to star in movies in a business that is whitewashed.

But, apologies, I didn't realise we were discussing what you're bothered about and not about the problems within a global movie industry.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've just shown that you don't understand this thread at all. It's not about reaching 'quotas' it's about the fact that non-white actors are constantly marginalised in Hollywood and the Oscar noms are proof of this.

Starwars the force awakens has a leading actor which goes directly against what you are saying.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Starwars the force awakens has a leading actor which goes directly against what you are saying.

So Star Wars has a leading man who is black and all is right with the world?

Do you realise how many movies are made a year?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Starwars the force awakens has a leading actor which goes directly against what you are saying.

Look at the fuss that caused.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015...ns-john-boyega

Well done to the Star wars franchise for their stance.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So Star Wars has a leading man who is black and all is right with the world?

Do you realise how many movies are made a year?

No Marsh i am not saying it makes it all right at all. I am saying the whole argument is ridiculous because movies are made to make money for the makers and their backers and it is their choice to decide who gets whatever part in their movie. If people don't like their choice then don't pay to watch the movie.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Starwars the force awakens has a leading actor which goes directly against what you are saying.

Great, name me a few hundred more so we can BEGIN the discussion on how the scales have been balanced.

One film means jack ****.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

No Marsh i am not saying it makes it all right at all. I am saying the whole argument is ridiculous because movies are made to make money for the makers and their backers and it is their choice to decide who gets whatever part in their movie. If people don't like their choice then don't pay to watch the movie.

Yes and many people choose to not pay for the movies for a variety of reasons.

It's not really addressing the issue now is it?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Great, name me a few hundred more so we can BEGIN the discussion on how the scales have been balanced.

One film means jack ****.

So you are saying that movies MUST address every race in order for it to be acceptable. I don't accept that point of view at all.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

No Marsh i am not saying it makes it all right at all. I am saying the whole argument is ridiculous because movies are made to make money for the makers and their backers and it is their choice to decide who gets whatever part in their movie. If people don't like their choice then don't pay to watch the movie.

Well no that's not how it works, dear.

Films need to make money, in order to make money you have to sell tickets, in order to sell tickets you need to appeal to the audience. The fact that this story has gotten so much traction and has become so big is because the audience is sick of the Hollywood norm.

Studios don't just make a bunch of uninformed decisions and tell their audiences to like it or lump it, when making a film they'll do market research and they'll conduct test screenings and focus groups to make sure that the film appeals to the right audience. If you want to make money you have to listen to the wants of the audience.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

No Marsh i am not saying it makes it all right at all. I am saying the whole argument is ridiculous because movies are made to make money for the makers and their backers and it is their choice to decide who gets whatever part in their movie. If people don't like their choice then don't pay to watch the movie.

...yeah but the point is though Johnny/Spike Lee's point that is ...is that no black movie executives etc are in on any of those decisions in the first place with the backers and casting producers etc...that it's easier for a black person to become the President of the USA than it is to get into the room where all of the choices are made....and if it wasn't like that, if black movie executives were allowed into those discussions, well then the casting...(and equally making as much money..)...would be quite different but bringing equal box office success for a movie...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah but the point is though Johnny/Spike Lee's point that is ...is that no black movie executives etc are in on any of those decisions in the first place with the backers and casting producers etc...that it's easier for a black person to become the President of the USA than it is to get into the room where all of the choices are made....and if it wasn't like that, if black movie executives were allowed into those discussions, well then the casting...(and equally making as much money..)...would be quite different but bringing equal box office success for a movie...

That's it. The behind the scenes needs changes.

I remember some actress saying the stuffy old white men are dying off and the younger generation are changing things.

Once we have a more varied group of people making movies/stories then we'll see more than the same formulaic crap being pumped out. The ethnicity of the actors cast is the tip of the iceberg really. The whole industry is in a rut.

[bots]

The movie industry does have the appearance similar to that of an exclusive Gentlemen's club - no riff raff allowed. If it were a more inclusive industry, this discussion just wouldn't be needed.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

So you are saying that movies MUST address every race in order for it to be acceptable. I don't accept that point of view at all.

Not at all, once again your lack of understanding is apparent.

You mentioned Star Wars and and said that it 'goes directly against what we are saying..'

I'm saying that one film doesn't mean **** and it doesn't fix any of the problems that Hollywood has. I'm not saying there should be a quota (second time I'm saying this...). Just that actors of different ethnicities should be held in the same regard as white actors because they aren't at the moment.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah but the point is though Johnny/Spike Lee's point that is ...is that no black movie executives etc are in on any of those decisions in the first place with the backers and casting producers etc...that it's easier for a black person to become the President of the USA than it is to get into the room where all of the choices are made....and if it wasn't like that, if black movie executives were allowed into those discussions, well then the casting...(and equally making as much money..)...would be quite different but bringing equal box office success for a movie...

Hi Ammi, Spike lee would have a point if he had said ALL other races and not just one race but he didn't say that did he. Do all the other races not matter? Where is their representation? It's the movie business and to me the key word here is....business.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not at all, once again your lack of understanding is apparent.

You mentioned Star Wars and and said that it 'goes directly against what we are saying..'

I'm saying that one film doesn't mean **** and it doesn't fix any of the problems that Hollywood has. I'm not saying there should be a quota (second time I'm saying this...). Just that actors of different ethnicities should be held in the same regard as white actors because they aren't at the moment.

Those making the movie can choose whoever they want to put in their movie. Makes no difference to me what race they are. If the movie is sh-it with an all white/black/chinese/french/italian cast then it's still a sh-it movie whoever gets the role.

[Kazanne]

I might be being a bit thick here,but why does colour even matter with everything,why does everything have to be monitored to make sure everything is equal, I have NEVER gone to a movie with the colour of the actors in mind,just want to see a good movie, I don't care if they are sky blue with spots on as long as my money is spent well,it's like when someone wins something so you have to have one,God forbid someone misses out,and while I'm at it,are the MOBO awards ever boycotted?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I might be being a bit thick here,but why does colour even matter with everything,why does everything have to be monitored to make sure everything is equal, I have NEVER gone to a movie with the colour of the actors in mind,just want to see a good movie, I don't care if they are sky blue with spots on as long as my money is spent well,it's like when someone wins something so you have to have one,God forbid someone misses out,and while I'm at it,are the MOBO awards ever boycotted?

Thanks for mentioning the MOBO's Kaz because if we are to be correct within this industry of film and music then all other races should now be selected for a MOBO.