[cfromhx02]

Tiff so predictably turned on John tonight just like you know Gemma,Tiff and Megan before she left were always going to do.So yawningly predictable.

She accused john of being an Instigator,obviously doing what Gemma wants or what she knows will make Gemma happy by blaming him for things.So she's really tonguing her a*se now,metaphorically.

She also agreed and went along with Gemma and I think maybe Megan bit*ing behind his back about him being such a manipulator.

REALITY CHECK TIFF,MEGAN AND GEMMA have you not noticed that it is Gemma who is the biggest Instigator and Manipulator she has went around bit c h * ing the most and dropping comments to get others to turn against certain people,mainly John

cause he's one of the faves with his Eastender's fanbase,but there have been others.

I don't like them lying and making things up when it is they and particularly Gemma who is the worst

but I wouldn't mind so much if they weren't so f predictable just like her being given the mask to make her Immune tonight.

[Kazanne]

Yes Tiffany has just tried to have a go at john over it on LF,he has calmly told her his version of things,lets hope she believes him or will Gemma drop even more poison to Tiffany.

[rusticgal]

Haven't watched tonight's episodes cos I have been out...just caught up with vids and what's been said on here.
Purely commenting on that...John IS an instigator just like Gemma...unless I have missed something tonight..

[wendywillow]

well john did try to get the entire house against tiff early on so john only has himself to blame on some of this (I agree I wish Tiff would hang out with others besides Gemma, but if that's her only friend, she might not have a choice)

[jet]

John is an instigator and a manipulator. He's just more devious than Gemma. Tiff won't be taken in.

[RodHull]

The funniest bit is how many times Tiff, Megan and Gemma skulk around whispering to people about how sly John is and how he tries to **** stir and manipulate...

Like do they not see themselves?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by wendywillow

well john did try to get the entire house against tiff early on so john only has himself to blame on some of this (I agree I wish Tiff would hang out with others besides Gemma, but if that's her only friend, she might not have a choice)

It wasn't about that it was about the steph relationship,John did not instigate that

[wendywillow]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It wasn't about that it was about the steph relationship,John did not instigate that

oh I know, but since he did it before with tiff, now he's seen as an instigator in general, he overplayed his hand early on trying to become house alpha

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by wendywillow

oh I know, but since he did it before with tiff, now he's seen as an instigator in general, he overplayed his hand early on trying to become house alpha

TBF Gemma and Daniella and others both loudly proclaimed how much they wanted Tiff gone he was just the delivery man of the message though they quickly back pedaled out of that one.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

Tiff so predictably turned on John tonight just like you know Gemma,Tiff and Megan before she left were always going to do.So yawningly predictable.

She accused john of being an Instigator,obviously doing what Gemma wants or what she knows will make Gemma happy by blaming him for things.So she's really tonguing her a*se now,metaphorically.

She also agreed and went along with Gemma and I think maybe Megan bit*ing behind his back about him being such a manipulator.

REALITY CHECK TIFF,MEGAN AND GEMMA have you not noticed that it is Gemma who is the biggest Instigator and Manipulator she has went around bit c h * ing the most and dropping comments to get others to turn against certain people,mainly John

cause he's one of the faves with his Eastender's fanbase,but there have been others.

I don't like them lying and making things up when it is they and particularly Gemma who is the worst

but I wouldn't mind so much if they weren't so f predictable just like her being given the mask to make her Immune tonight.

[Beso]

pair of boring troglodites.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by RodHull

TBF Gemma and Daniella and others both loudly proclaimed how much they wanted Tiff gone he was just the delivery man of the message though they quickly back pedaled out of that one.

That's right,seems people have the memory of a goldfish ,when it suits

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by RodHull

TBF Gemma and Daniella and others both loudly proclaimed how much they wanted Tiff gone he was just the delivery man of the message though they quickly back pedaled out of that one.

I'm suprised that Danielle has teamed up with Collins against John. Before they went in he had supported Danielle through her bad times and she said he was her best friend???

[Crimson Dynamo]

which one is Tiffany again?