[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

What on earth are you jibbering on about now?.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

not good enough LT, must try better.

Nice one.
Good post you made earlier too, not as to even just vague prophesy on one issue but the whole quote and prophecy has even greater relevance today than it even did all that time way back then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

not good enough LT, must try better.

i predict kaz will be an atheist by 2017

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i predict kaz will be an atheist by 2017

And I predict that a mischievious winder-upper will still be making 'Religious' threads when he is bored and wants a reaction, well into 2025.

[Kizzy]

The Parable of the Bags of Gold
14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money. 19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ 22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’ 23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ 24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ 26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. 28 “ ‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Discuss.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So is any of what they 'made up' iyo ,not true?

Hello, could I maybe just stick my oar in here and suggest (maybe) that the whole God creating man/the Adam and Eve story is a bit of a lie?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nice one.
Good post you made earlier too, not as to even just vague prophesy on one issue but the whole quote and prophecy has even greater relevance today than it even did all that time way back then.

Thankyou Joey ,

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And I predict that a mischievious winder-upper will still be making 'Religious' threads when he is bored and wants a reaction, into 2025.

well, LT has got some miledge out of this one Kirk

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

well, LT has got some miledge out of this one Kirk

Yeah Kaz - But he still has not beaten us, has he?

[Johnnyuk123]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Hello, could I maybe just stick my oar in here and suggest (maybe) that the whole God creating man/the Adam and Eve story is a bit of a lie?

Hi Lee, lovely to see you back posting, that one is more complicated I don't think we evolved from monkeys either.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah Kaz - But he still has not beaten us, has he?

And never will he Kirk ,he's a heathen and needs some guidance from his peers

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Hi Lee, lovely to see you back posting, that one is more complicated I don't think we evolved from monkeys either.

It's nice to be back kazanne! It's quiet on here though (must be very quiet for me to get involved in a religious thread )

So where do you believe humans came from? I'm not being a smart arse, I'm genuinely interested in people's thoughts on this. I'm an atheist but I respect other faiths and beliefs.

[user104658]

Oh Ffs are we really onto denying evolution now?

[kirklancaster]

Go to Jupiter and see a totally new colour which no human has ever seen before, then return to Earth and try to explain that new colour to the greatest intellects on the planet.

You CANNOT.

Because there is no common frame of reference, and you - quite literally - 'have not the words - there is nothing in our vocabulary to describe such an unknown colour.

You are then forced to resort to 'similies' and 'metaphors'; "it was like a bluey gold" etc. etc.

The natives of Papua, New Guinea did not know what an aeroplane was the very first time one flew over their heads glinting in the hot equatorial sun, but they knew what metal was, and knew what a bird was, so aeroplane became 'metal bird' when those who had witnessed it were relating what they saw to those who had not.

Ditto, the American Indians who saw a train for the first time - 'Iron Horse'.

Is it beyond the realms of probability that primitive men used metaphor and parable to enable them to comprehend what was incomprehensible - The Creation story?

And did not ALL humankind stem from 'Adam' and 'Eve' no matter whether one believes in God or Evolution?

Further; when I read of the 'The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil', I KNOW what message this simple parable carried, and I am reminded of it each time I think of J. Robert Oppenheimer, the creator of the atomic bomb and his chilling quote from the Bhagavad Gita:

"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

God in his infinite wisdom KNEW that certain 'knowledge should be kept from his 'children'.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

And never will he Kirk ,he's a heathen and needs some guidance from his peers

And now we must leave L.T. and concentrate on that equally dastardly heathen T.S.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh Ffs are we really onto denying evolution now?

TS... I'm frightened.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The Parable of the Bags of Gold
14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money. 19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ 22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’ 23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ 24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ 26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. 28 “ ‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Discuss.

I think this may answer the principle of that scenario kizzy,it's a long read,but basically I'm sure it is about loyalty and work ethic and laziness.
https://witzend.wordpress.com/tag/pa...-bags-of-gold/

The traditional interpretation goes like this: The man who had received five talents doubled them, as did the man who had only two. But the man who had one hid his talent in the ground. It is too often true in church circles that a person who feels he has only one talent buries it instead of using it in the work of the Kingdom.

[Kizzy]

Where would bankers fit into that scenario?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Go to Jupiter and see a totally new colour which no human has ever seen before, then return to Earth and try to explain that new colour to the greatest intellects on the planet.

You CANNOT.

Because there is no common frame of reference, and you - quite literally - 'have not the words - there is nothing in our vocabulary to describe such an unknown colour.

You are then forced to resort to 'similies' and 'metaphors'; "it was like a bluey gold" etc. etc.

The natives of Papua, New Guinea did not know what an aeroplane was the very first time one flew over their heads glinting in the hot equatorial sun, but they knew what metal was, and knew what a bird was, so aeroplane became 'metal bird' when those who had witnessed it were relating what they saw to those who had not.

Ditto, the American Indians who saw a train for the first time - 'Iron Horse'.

Is it beyond the realms of probability that primitive men used metaphor and parable to enable them to comprehend what was incomprehensible - The Creation story?

And did not ALL humankind stem from 'Adam' and 'Eve' no matter whether one believes in God or Evolution?

Further; when I read of the 'The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil', I KNOW what message this simple parable carried, and I am reminded of it each time I think of J. Robert Oppenheimer, the creator of the atomic bomb and his chilling quote from the Bhagavad Gita:

"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

God in his infinite wisdom KNEW that certain 'knowledge should be kept from his 'children'.

But surely we could describe any colour in our solar system as we use the same light spectrum from our sun wherever we are?
It would have to be some shade of Yellow,Orange,Brown,White etc etc.Colours which we will have seen before here on Earth or shades there of.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Go to Jupiter and see a totally new colour which no human has ever seen before, then return to Earth and try to explain that new colour to the greatest intellects on the planet.

A totally new colour? Kirk I hate to break it to you but that's a dream you might have to let go. You have already seen every colour you will ever see. Unless, perhaps, Jupiter has some particularly advanced alien surgeon who can upgrade your retinas and also replace your occipital lobe...

Which interestingly is a parallel for why I so strongly reject the idea of organised religion. If there IS a creator (which one might call God) then it is something completely beyond the scope of human perception or comprehension. It is not a "him" or a "her" or any other sort of petty, human-personified character. It doesn't think like a human or look like a human or give a stuff what humans do in our human lives. The Bible is a limited, frivolous attempt by small human minds to categorise and define universal forces that simply can't be... Stripping all of the wonder and mystery from existence in the process and grounding it right down here in the dirt with us. Making a God who "listens to us", a God who "cares about us", where silly little humans are some major part of a plan and earth isn't a speck of sand on an infinite beach. It's borne of fear and arrogance, a tale crafted by men who couldn't handle the fact that they don't (and can't) know everything and so made up an explanation that would cover it all.

An imperceptible God(like intelligence of some unknown form) may exist. That is entirely within the realms of possibility. That's not what anyone needs to prove to me to stop me from being a heathen. What someone needs to explain to me, is how you get from that possibility to the utter bull**** of organised religions and cults. The biggest of which is of course Christianity.

I believe that Jesus (the man) was real. I even believe that he probably had good intentions, wanted to help people. Certainly that he must have been exceptionally charismatic. I do not for one second believe that he was the son of, or sent by, a higher power. My guess? He probably didn't even claim to be the son of God. He probably just upset too many bigwigs and got himself killed for it... Becoming a martyr as he was a good man... And then over the centuries the stories about him were told and retold and exaggerated into what we have now.

So yeah. If you're bothered; don't try to convince me that - - - a - - - God could be real. I fully and 100% accept that we have absolutely no idea how reality is constructed or how it works.

Convince me that ORGANISED RELIGION is in any way valid, and not just stories written by people to explain the unexplainable and then used as a method of gaining order and control.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But surely we could describe any colour in our solar system as we use the same light spectrum from our sun wherever we are?
It would have to be some shade of Yellow,Orange,Brown,White etc etc.Colours which we will have seen before here on Earth or shades there of.

Colour is simply a wavelength of light. Our eyes and occipital lobe (part of the brain that processes visual information) can physically only perceive a certain range of wavelengths. There ARE other colours, infrared, ultraviolet and beyond but humans physically can't ever see them without being aided by technology (which will simply translate them into colours within our visual range). Doesn't matter where you go in the entire universe, you will only ever see exactly the same colours you see here on earth.

Tl;Dr go on photoshop's "colour picker" and you have access to every colour that any human will ever see.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Colour is simply a wavelength of light. Our eyes and occipital lobe (part of the brain that processes visual information) can physically only perceive a certain range of wavelengths. There ARE other colours, infrared, ultraviolet and beyond but humans physically can't ever see them without being aided by technology (which will simply translate them into colours within our visual range). Doesn't matter where you go in the entire universe, you will only ever see exactly the same colours you see here on earth.

Tl;Dr go on photoshop's "colour picker" and you have access to every colour that any human will ever see.

Yes.This is better than my answer.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And I predict that a mischievious winder-upper will still be making 'Religious' threads when he is bored and wants a reaction, well into 2025.

They are popular and people enjoy them

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Live and let live. If having a belief helps people cope better with their mortality then good for them.

That's fine but don't force it on the rest of us anymore.

Do you think that's too much to ask?