[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It is my belief, dear, that if you end up in jail, you lose things like voting rights. After all, that protects those who do abide by the countries laws. I cannot stand it when people try to give rights to people that have, by their own actions, lost those rights.

I'm not denouncing my own rights in supporting that view, and its certainly not being petty

but what about the rights of the 911 bombers? we shouldnt be allowed to kill those people according to the logic of this poster?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by the truth

but what about the rights of the 911 bombers? we shouldnt be allowed to kill those people according to the logic of this poster?

Well, they kinda killed themselves already so...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Well, they kinda killed themselves already so...

thats pretty pedantic , not all terrorists kill themselves

[Crimson Dynamo]

whenever i want to get to the crux of a political matter I always reach for a luvvie champagne socialist actor to give it to me straight


jesus h christ on a bike

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

whenever i want to get to the crux of a political matter I always reach for a luvvie champagne socialist actor to give it to me straight


jesus h christ on a bike

Well give it to you he did, and if you're waiting for a politician to give it to you straight, you'll have a frigging long wait!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Exactly, why anyone would want to let this government off the leash without the EU there to step in is beyond me. This government has already tried to cut vital benefits for the disabled and the working class and they'd only get worse if left to their own devices.

I don't want to let this government off the leash Dezzy but, and this comes out of huge amounts of reading on both sides of the TTIP deal, if we allow TTIP to go ahead then the 'neo-liberal bsatards' have won, the rich become gloriously richer and the middle and working class citizens get sucked into one big pool of poverty. TTIP treaties can and will change laws and that includes human rights and the only way it can continue to pave the way is to remain in the EU.

Neo-liberal conservatism is being exposed for what it really is. People are waking up and I doubt a conservative government (unless it goes back to classical conservatism) will be voted in next time round, especially if our present government attempt to change The Human Rights Act.

I've very seriously weighed up the two and although it feels like 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', I firmly believe the out vote may work more reliably in our favour when it comes to our human rights.

The biggest reason for me voting out is because I'm passionate about our human rights.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well give it to you he did, and if you're waiting for a politician to give it to you straight, you'll have a frigging long wait!

yes, without the EU we would all be killing and torturing each other



same old bollox the Christians tried with the Celts 2000 years ago

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't want to let this government off the leash Dezzy but, and this comes out of huge amounts of reading on both sides of the TTIP deal, if we allow TTIP to go ahead then the 'neo-liberal bsatards' have won, the rich become gloriously richer and the middle and working class citizens get sucked into one big pool of poverty. TTIP treaties can and will change laws and that includes human rights and the only way it can continue to pave the way is to remain in the EU.

Neo-liberal conservatism is being exposed for what it really is. People are waking up and I doubt a conservative government (unless it goes back to classical conservatism) will be voted in next time round, especially if our present government attempt to change The Human Rights Act.

I've very seriously weighed up the two and although it feels like 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', I firmly believe the out vote may work more reliably in our favour when it comes to our human rights.

The biggest reason for me voting out is because I'm passionate about our human rights.

ttip is the work of the devil