[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Livia

All I can really say it, and it's a repeat of my last post... there are four of you now all clapping and nodding at each other. Enjoy!

Woh woh woh... I never said I agree with LT about anything

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

All I can really say it, and it's a repeat of my last post... there are four of you now all clapping and nodding at each other. Enjoy!

Nothing wrong with a good circlejerk Livia.

...hence Church. Where one might go to see someone literally preaching to the flock. Who would clap. And nod. No?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nothing wrong with a good circlejerk Livia.

...hence Church. Where one might go to see someone literally preaching to the flock. Who would clap. And nod. No?

You tell me... I'm not a Christian, I am not in the Christian flock.

Anyway, like I said, enjoy. I'll look in next time LT starts another anti-religion thread and we can all say the same things over again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well i dont think i will start a pro religion thread anytime soon

same way you wont start a pro socialism one

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nothing wrong with a good circlejerk Livia.

...hence Church. Where one might go to see someone literally preaching to the flock. Who would clap. And nod. No?

People don't clap in church.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a fair point but i am not saying religion has any monopoly alls i am saying is that it is ripe for violence and suppression

As is the human race in all aspects about anything and everything.

So how is "banning" all religion at all going to change that? Humans will find other reasons to fight. As they have and still do.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People don't clap in church.

Oh yes they do... depending on the denomination of course...but every Christian denominational type of church I have been to has clapping... to music, to god, for each others achievements in god...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Oh yes they do... depending on the denomination of course...but every Christian denominational type of church I have been to has clapping... to music, to god, for each others achievements in god...

Each other's achievements? Everyone has a turn to list their achievements?

But, yeah, the roman catholic churches I've been to don't have such back slapping.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

As is the human race in all aspects about anything and everything.

So how is "banning" all religion at all going to change that? Humans will find other reasons to fight. As they have and still do.

not ban just eradicate from schools and politics apart from teaching about as part of say history or modern studies. No preferential treatment in society.

We need to thoroughly reverse the prevailing notion that religious "faith" is intrinsically deserving of respect.

[Northern Monkey]

Well i'm not religious.I don't believe the concepts involved.
However i find the history of religions absolutely fascinating and how if you research different religions you can see how they evolved and ideas and even characters from one religion end up popping up later on in other religions.Moses for instance may actually have been a real guy and possibly the step brother of Thutmoses iii who was a real pharoah.Now i personally don't believe he parted the Red Sea or recieved the commandments from god but even the fact that he could've been a real person over 3000 years ago is fascinating imo.I believe the Exodus probably was a real thing and i believe Jesus could very well have been a real preacher who was involved in creating an offshoot of Judaism that became very popular(Christianity).
I don't think religion was created originally as a way to control the masses.I think it was inevitable due to early man/woman not understanding the wonders around them.The control factor came about later on.Long after ritual burial and the worshipping of gods.People want to understand what we see around us.Invisible gods was possibly the only explanation that human brains could come up with imo.
I think religion is very much historically relevant.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not ban just eradicate from schools and politics apart from teaching about as part of say history or modern studies. No preferential treatment in society.

We need to thoroughly reverse the prevailing notion that religious "faith" is intrinsically deserving of respect.

Preferential treatment?

Religious people get nothing but mocked in this country.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Preferential treatment?

Religious people get nothing but mocked in this country.

I think that's the crux of it... if we were to find a way to ban extremism in religion... which I don't think we can do... or certain parts of a religion..or religion itself, then we will make the people who are extremists or even the modernists into martyrs for their faith, making them more valid unfortunately, and giving them a greater cause to rally behind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Preferential treatment?

Religious people get nothing but mocked in this country.

they get prime time slots on the radio 2 breakfast show (audience 9 million) and radio 4 (slightly less but similar)

what other organisation do you know who gets this free advertising?

(this being one example)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nothing wrong with a good circlejerk Livia.

...hence Church. Where one might go to see someone literally preaching to the flock. Who would clap. And nod. No?

*Claps and nods*

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh and have a look at the national secular society's strapline,...


http://www.secularism.org.uk/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People don't clap in church.

Pentecostals clap.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You tell me... I'm not a Christian, I am not in the Christian flock.

You realise that you've now given me the idea that, in Jewish church, everyone goes along and disagrees with what the Jew preacher has to say, shakes their head and... maybe some jeering and booing?

If that is the case then it sounds wonderful TBH.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Pentecostals clap.

Only on obese people.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

As is the human race in all aspects about anything and everything.

So how is "banning" all religion at all going to change that? Humans will find other reasons to fight. As they have and still do.

This is very true