[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are joking, you are trying to say we will not have general elections in the UK and not be able to vote for other Parties,if we stay in now.
Now I really think you are wasting my time.

No... You will NOT have the choice of who runs the EU.

[Johnnyuk123]

And to be totally honest with you joey you have opinions and very strong belief on matters, you relish the fact that you can make up your own mind on issues by yourself yet you are prepared to give ALL of that up to remain in the EU. Please explain why you are so keen on giving up all of your own personal beliefs to remain within the EU............

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

And to be totally honest with you joey you have opinions and very strong belief on matters, you relish the fact that you can make up your own mind on issues by yourself yet you are prepared to give ALL of that up to remain in the EU. Please explain why you are so keen on giving up all of your own personal beliefs to remain within the EU............

Instead of goading Joey lets have your explanation why that would be the case in this matter.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Please give me credible reasons for remaining in the EU.
Just answer the two points below please...

EG: How much will the UK save each year by remaining in the EU?
EG: How many less immigrants will enter the UK after the 23rd of June 2016?

Being in the EU is the status quo, so of course those things are not going to change any time soon in the future. What Joey has been saying, we are in the EU, we therefore know how that is. We don't get any credible verifiable info from the out campaign. If we did, it may have a lot more support than it does now. The out campaign has been nothing short of ludicrous and laughable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Being in the EU is the status quo, so of course those things are not going to change any time soon in the future. What Joey has been saying, we are in the EU, we therefore know how that is. We don't get any credible verifiable info from the out campaign. If we did, it may have a lot more support than it does now. The out campaign has been nothing short of ludicrous and laughable.

And pinned on misinformation with regard to figures.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Being in the EU is the status quo, so of course those things are not going to change any time soon in the future. What Joey has been saying, we are in the EU, we therefore know how that is. We don't get any credible verifiable info from the out campaign. If we did, it may have a lot more support than it does now. The out campaign has been nothing short of ludicrous and laughable.

Thank you,you make the point far better and more briefly than I have done.

I actually think it is unfortunate any of the Politicians are the main campaigners.
They likely ,some anyway, have other interests as to raising their profiles further, using the EU referendum to do so.
The information from both sides goes nowhere as to really balancing both scenarios of in and out.

Instead we have a sort of mish mash of an election campaign full of near irrelevant and wrong statistics and figures with further over exaggerated claims and counter claims.

I am glad you were able to understand my meaning so thanks again for your input.

[Cherie]

Someone pointed out that each campaign should have manifestos detailing what will happen if we stay in/go out, For the out campaigners they can't really make any promises as they don't know how other countries will react to the UK leaving, it's a mess in reality

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Someone pointed out that each campaign should have manifestos detailing what will happen if we stay in/go out, For the out campaigners they can't really make any promises as they don't know how other countries will react to the UK leaving, it's a mess in reality

Exactly, which is why I fail to grasp why the 'remain' side need to make over exaggerated claims.
They just needed to point out the fact we are in, we are successful and that we would be better able to overcome difficulties while remaining in rather than out.
Make the case for staying in after all these decades, not as if we were just looking to join now.

For the 'leave' side, they had a hard task admittedly but they at least needed to get substantiated support from at least some of the other EU Nations,for being able to get a trade deal with the EU but without having to accept the free movement of EU citizens.

It doesn't help that they still are driving around the Nation on their bus with the misleading claim that £350million will be 'saved' every week if we leave and that could go to the NHS.
Until they at least clear away that lie,which is what it is, their credibility,in my view, will and should suffer as a result.

This is a shocking campaign really as to giving balanced and true information to the voters who have to decide how or whether to vote.
Sadly after last nights example of questions being put, I fear these TV debates are not going to help matters in the slightest.

This is a major decision, and by both sides in the campaigning it has been turned into a ridiculous and uninformed farce.

On Wednesday I spoke to 50 people,in a street and campaigning at their doors, I was stunned, as were those with me, that 27 of them said they were sick of hearing about this referendum,were more confused than ever before, and now had no interest in it whatsoever.

What a disgrace and a shameful thing to be the result of this referendum in my view.

[arista]

Live at 8PM tonight
its Gove MP with Out Of Europe
same type of Debate as with the PM yesterday.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Live at 8PM tonight
its Gove MP with Out Of Europe
same type of Debate as with the PM yesterday.

Oh goody hope he gets asked about the £350 million bullplop he's been suggesting we'll save being out of the EU

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh goody hope he gets asked about the £350 million bullplop he's been suggesting we'll save being out of the EU

So do I.

[arista]

Live Now

[Johnnyuk123]

The elites versus the people. Well said!!!

[arista]

Fisal he is From the Conservative Party
not UKIP
keep them out of this debate.

And stop going on about Facts

[_Tom_]

Gove doing well, despite being constantly interrupted

[Johnnyuk123]

Gove owning him.

[karl100589]

Originally Posted by arista

Fisal he is From the Conservative Party
not UKIP
keep them out of this debate.

And stop going on about Facts

Some people like facts.

[Johnnyuk123]

This interviewer seems to think UK jobs will be safe by staying in the EU.

[_Tom_]

Faisal is struggling tonight, Gove has an answer to almost everything. Audience clapping Gove much more than Cameron last night

[Johnnyuk123]

I want liberation!!!

[Johnnyuk123]

Voting for people that you have no idea who they actually are (besides millionaires) is absolute madness.

[Johnnyuk123]

Well said!!!

[_Tom_]

Gove did great - positive, factual and honest! A much better performance than Cameron last night. Stayed calm and got great points across despite unprofessional badgering from Faisal who was all over the place in that interview.

Time to be proud of Great Britain again and lead, not follow.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Gove did great - positive, factual and honest! A much better performance than Cameron last night. Stayed calm and got great points across despite unprofessional badgering from Faisal who was all over the place in that interview.

Time to be proud of Great Britain again and lead, not follow.

I could not agree more with you Tom. He was brilliant!

[joeysteele]

To be fair to Michael Gove and he is a Conservative politician I have respect for, he did perform really well although in my view he got a slightly easier ride from Faisal than David Cameron got.

However, he still lost me by standing by that £350million figure and the endless don't knows to the questions and no substantiated vision of being out.
He gave a vision but one that has no substance and authority because no one anywhere backs it internationally or even at home in the UK either.

Mragaret Thatcher won a rebate for the UK from the EU,it has stood near solid since she did so in the 1980s.it is wrong to state now by Gove that that rebate could be altered or discontinued, since that also would likely be an issue for a further referendum, so more pie in the sky to me was that claim.
So really no way would the EU attempt that and it also would not I feel, get the agreement of all the other 27 Nations.

He performed well to be fair but it was for me very telling at the end, when asked if he was positioning himself to be PM after Cameron..
He said no to himself but said there were several who could go for PM after Cameron.

Very telling too he did not clearly and strongly insist that Cameron will be there after the EU referendum, or that he would be supporting Cameron to negotiate the leaving terms from the EU either.
I fear the voters are being hoodwinked into having a pre run of a leadership challenge momentum, followed by a leadership election for the Conservative party after this EU referendum.
I hope all undecided voters think very hard on that one.

It saddens me to see a politician like Michael Gove being in any way intentionally or inadvertently party to that too.