[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If the Tories get voted in again after the ****show that has been this regime then I'm done with politics and won't ever bother voting again. Let the public lie in a bed of **** of their own making.

2020
many changes by then.

Dezzy the Doom Reaper

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

Think you need to start demanding louder cos not much is being done

Its being done
but not gone with Public getting the Dates
and most business deals are 5 year projections
that need to know the next few years clear

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Aka we'll do nothing and let Labour deal with it after the next election

And take credit if it happens to go well, and blame them for everything if it goes to crap.

I do not think ANY leader is happy about this brexit thing and it seems to be just passing the buck tbh. Cameron left as he had no clue how to handle it...**** knows why May took it up but I guess someone had to

(I don't think labour will win the next election mind..so I don't think this will work)

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

Every party is a wreck atm, I think they stand the best chance personally.

labour ? Lol tell me you're joking please

[joeysteele]

By 2020, we have no idea what the voters may be looking for as to a UK out of the EU, we have no idea what errors this govt is going to make on domestic issues either.

Sadly but a fact,a fair number not able to be measured, of those in their late 70s, 80s and even 90s, who voted in the referendum and in the May 2015 election for this govt, will not be here any longer.
Those aged 15, 16, and 17 now, who were denied a vote in the referendum by this govt, will also then be able to vote too.

The electorate, or the majority of it, may well be looking for something entirely different from the status quo and 10 years of Conservative dominance in govt again by 2020.

Also depending on what happens in Scotland and this EU vote,if Scotland is heading for another independence referendum.
Then it is felt that this govt has not only helped create the scene of the UK leaving the EU but also the break up of the United Kingdom too, then the possible backlash at that time against this govt could be almost unprecedented.

Who knows, however very unwise to predict how anything will go in just over 3 and a half years time.
Labour is near always assured of 27% of the vote,that will still leave them with around 200 seats, not a chance to be obliterated.

[the truth]

I predict labour will be obliterated

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And take credit if it happens to go well, and blame them for everything if it goes to crap.

I do not think ANY leader is happy about this brexit thing and it seems to be just passing the buck tbh. Cameron left as he had no clue how to handle it...**** knows why May took it up but I guess someone had to

(I don't think labour will win the next election mind..so I don't think this will work)

Wrong ,he knows the Work now being done
but refused to do it himself, as he wanted to stay in the Corrupt EU,
and many outside of the Conservatives
are well happy he resigned FAST

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

I predict labour will be obliterated

2020 is to far to say anything.


First Get the Feck out of the EU
they are still taking millions from us.
That's our money that we want to spend
not sent in a loop de loop in Corrupt EU

[arista]

"if Scotland is heading for another independence referendum"


but she can not get that done - Conservatives blocking her
plus up there some want out of the EU

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"if Scotland is heading for another independence referendum"


but she can not get that done - Conservatives blocking her
plus up there some want out of the EU

If Nicola Sturgeon gets an independence vote passed in Holyrood,whatever this govt says now, they will have to grant it.
Even Ruth Davidson the Scottish Conservative leader,who is against a new independence vote herself,has stated it would be wrong for Westminster to refuse one if passed in Holyrood.

Which it would be passed, as the SNP and also the Greens there favour a new vote and have a majority in the Holyrood assembly.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If Nicola Sturgeon gets an independence vote passed in Holyrood,whatever this govt says now, they will have to grant it.
Even Ruth Davidson the Scottish Conservative leader,who is against a new independence vote herself,has stated it would be wrong for Westminster to refuse one if passed in Holyrood.

Which it would be passed, as the SNP and also the Greens there favour a new vote and have a majority in the Holyrood assembly.

scotland voted no and theyre way poorer than before because their oil reserves have almost disappeared. snp are xenophobic anti free market mob...they are there as an anto establishment rebel vote, except their policies will in the longer term fail spectacularly

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

scotland voted no and theyre way poorer than before because their oil reserves have almost disappeared. snp are xenophobic anti free market mob...they are there as an anto establishment rebel vote, except their policies will in the longer term fail spectacularly

There is still plenty of oil in the North Sea reserves (in strong theory). Whether or not oil companies will invest in finding it and drilling for it is another matter. The real problem was that oil prices started flipping and flopping all over the place for various global political reasons and confidence fell.

That said, I have absolutely no doubt that (with oil being a finite resource) the oil that is left will be highly valuable again, at some point. Exactly when, is the unpredictable part.

[the truth]

First, the immediate economic aftermath defied the referendum scaremongering. The FTSE 100 and 250 are higher now than before the referendum campaign was launched in February. Consumer confidence has rebounded, employers are hiring more staff, and export orders are rising. The pound has rallied, and its residual devaluation has boosted exports. Lord King, former governor of the Bank of England, argues that the UK economy since the referendum is “now in a better position to rebalance” away from consumer spending towards export-driven growth.

but labour still want a re run.....I would be my life that labour will be destroyed by 2020 they are an absolute joke.....consumed by spin and perverted political correctness, total anti business, totally consumed by delusion and in fighting.....they will never ever come back

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

First, the immediate economic aftermath defied the referendum scaremongering. The FTSE 100 and 250 are higher now than before the referendum campaign was launched in February. Consumer confidence has rebounded, employers are hiring more staff, and export orders are rising. The pound has rallied, and its residual devaluation has boosted exports. Lord King, former governor of the Bank of England, argues that the UK economy since the referendum is “now in a better position to rebalance” away from consumer spending towards export-driven growth.

but labour still want a re run.....I would be my life that labour will be destroyed by 2020 they are an absolute joke.....consumed by spin and perverted political correctness, total anti business, totally consumed by delusion and in fighting.....they will never ever come back

Labour doesn't want a re-run,the Lib Dems do and labour would in all likelihood be sympathetic to that.
However what Labour wants is the deal that is planned to be gone for to be put again to the voters.

We also really cannot discount further problems to come yet and Theresa May herself even says the future is uncertain with possible problems for the UK economy still to come.
That is very possible,she has said the triggering of article 50 will not be done this year, no one has said when it will be next year either yet.
That has likely held off in part some of the expected problems.

Therefore we haven't brexited yet and indeed, have not yet even started the process of doing so.
It may well be problems will come once article 50 is finally triggered, meanwhile the vote to leave at present actually remains just that, an advisory vote to leave.
One hopes no major problems will come into play but they are still a likely probability.
The actual leaving process has not in any way officially begun yet except to appoint Ministers as to it.

[the truth]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...re-on-a-virtu/

Instead, diplomacy will focus on where, between the range of tariff-free trade (that we already enjoy) and average EU external tariffs of 3.6 per cent, we end up. There is strong mutual interest in avoiding new tariffs. Yet any new trade barriers would hit Continental businesses far harder, because they sell Ł68 billion more to us each year than we do to them.

First, the immediate economic aftermath defied the referendum scaremongering. The FTSE 100 and 250 are higher now than before the referendum campaign was launched in February. Consumer confidence has rebounded, employers are hiring more staff, and export orders are rising. The pound has rallied, and its residual devaluation has boosted exports. LoIn fact, the letter was addressed to both the EU and the UK, making the case against erecting trade barriers. Such pressure will help Britain’s negotiations with the EU. Equally, the chief executives of Toyota and Hitachi have said their firms will stay in the UK regardless of Brexit, and in July Japanese IT firm SoftBank announced Ł24 billion more investment in the UK.

lord King, former governor of the Bank of England, argues that the UK economy since the referendum is “now in a better position to rebalance” away from consumer spending towards export-driven growth.

[Rob!]

I think May implying she even has a plan is laughable. Neither she or any one in government has had or does have a clue of how to take Britain out of the EU without there being some modicum of bloodshed in the process. Is it possible for the vote to be quietly ignored and we carry on as if nothing had happened? I can't help but feel this all happened at a very scary time in world history and frankly I think we need all the help we can get. I read an article somewhere that said Britain's military defences are at risk post Brexit for example.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I think May implying she even has a plan is laughable. Neither she or any one in government has had or does have a clue of how to take Britain out of the EU without there being some modicum of bloodshed in the process. Is it possible for the vote to be quietly ignored and we carry on as if nothing had happened? I can't help but feel this all happened at a very scary time in world history and frankly I think we need all the help we can get. I read an article somewhere that said Britain's military defences are at risk post Brexit for example.

Indeed...

"We're not telling you about any plans but we do have one! Honest!"

The truth is that they're still at the stage where they have a hundred lawyers sat in a room looking at all the ways we are completely fused to the EU, and trying to figure out if it is feasible to separate at all... So no, there is definitely not any sort of plan beyond that for how or when to actually do it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed...

"We're not telling you about any plans but we do have one! Honest!"

The truth is that they're still at the stage where they have a hundred lawyers sat in a room looking at all the ways we are completely fused to the EU, and trying to figure out if it is feasible to separate at all... So no, there is definitely not any sort of plan beyond that for how or when to actually do it.

yes, but they are in the process of formulating it. Once we invoke article 50, there will then be a 2 year period of defining how we will operate post brexit. It would be madness to cripple our negotiations by making throw away comments at this stage that could prematurely affect negotiations before they have even started.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, but they are in the process of formulating it. Once we invoke article 50, there will then be a 2 year period of defining how we will operate post brexit. It would be madness to cripple our negotiations by making throw away comments at this stage that could prematurely affect negotiations before they have even started.

I'm not saying they should share what plans they have just to prove that they have them... I'm just sceptical that they are really much further on than they were the day after the vote, and the fact that it would be bad to "show their hand early" is more convenient than anything else because it means that they don't have to admit just how difficult (i.e. potentially impossible) it will be to cleanly separate from the EU.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I think May implying she even has a plan is laughable. Neither she or any one in government has had or does have a clue of how to take Britain out of the EU without there being some modicum of bloodshed in the process. Is it possible for the vote to be quietly ignored and we carry on as if nothing had happened? I can't help but feel this all happened at a very scary time in world history and frankly I think we need all the help we can get. I read an article somewhere that said Britain's military defences are at risk post Brexit for example.

Really good points.
You are right, it is I would agree that it is laughable to believe Theresa May has a plan.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If Nicola Sturgeon gets an independence vote passed in Holyrood,whatever this govt says now, they will have to grant it.
Even Ruth Davidson the Scottish Conservative leader,who is against a new independence vote herself,has stated it would be wrong for Westminster to refuse one if passed in Holyrood.

Which it would be passed, as the SNP and also the Greens there favour a new vote and have a majority in the Holyrood assembly.

Yes with the Greens backing her
she can do it,
but will she?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, but they are in the process of formulating it. Once we invoke article 50, there will then be a 2 year period of defining how we will operate post brexit. It would be madness to cripple our negotiations by making throw away comments at this stage that could prematurely affect negotiations before they have even started.

Great post as usual... there is nothing to add. Unless you're rabidly anti-Tory then you can make loads of stuff up.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes with the Greens backing her
she can do it,
but will she?

If the message she gets from the Scots that a referendum has a fair chance of being won this time, yes she will.

Obviously the Conservative govt. here would not want that, it is a party of passionate unionists after all, this would be one of the last things it would want to happen..

However,it would be both unwise and likely seen as wrong too, to stand in the way of a further referendum, if it was passed in Holyrood.

I actually think, faced with the prospect of a Conservative UK govt likely being elected again, as the signs would indicate at this time anyway.
That could make Scots more determined to finally cut itself off from the UK.

We are in uncharted waters for sure both as to Scotland and as to the EU.
The future is virtually unpredictable politically.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes with the Greens backing her
she can do it,
but will she?

I think if there's another referendum concerning Scottish independence, the vote should be given to the English.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, but they are in the process of formulating it. Once we invoke article 50, there will then be a 2 year period of defining how we will operate post brexit. It would be madness to cripple our negotiations by making throw away comments at this stage that could prematurely affect negotiations before they have even started.

We had a referendum though bitontheslide, where we were told what the voters should and could get in the event of a 'leave; result.
There should have been concrete ideas at the very least as to what is totally acceptable and what is not.

She has in her cabinet, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson and David Davis, 3 of whom regularly 'told' the voters what to vote for.

The EU must have no doubt what they wanted.

All she is doing now is saying very little as to the way forward and removing the promises,yes the promises, made by this 3, certainly as to the points system.
I voted remain as you know,however the vote is to leave, so I want to see the best for the UK from the negotiations.
I immediately welcomed Theresa May and David Davis saying a National consensus was wanted as to the leaving of the EU.
That is a good move and I hope it is stuck to.


Separate matter now,nothing to do with yourself.
I am not in any way heavily anti Conservative,I dislike intensely many of its policies but they do not do everything wrong, just as no party does really.
That is unlike some who are anti Labour, (and anti the left of politics in general),no matter what Labour says or does and often really unfairly in my view, scathing in their attack on that Party with massive unfounded statements about same too.