[Maru]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you want to, it's up to you what logic you want to take.

I don't believe that Trump has any inside hatred for Mexicans or Woman, he only talks about keeping out people here illegally, that's just about protecting his country, and what he get's up to with women doesn't really effect me, so I'm not that bothered.

But Michelle can't stop bringing up race when she speaks, bringing up things that happened over a century ago, hinting at some sort of White privilege that's going on, I see a real anger inside her when she's talking about this.

So I have an opinion on her, and it's opinion not an accusation.

I have to call BS. If it doesn't matter to you (which is balony by the way), then why bother posting in a thread about female voting demographics and Donald Trump?

How does this topic even connect with white privilege?

Either **** or get off the can. You're derailing a thread for some unknown purpose... and I don't think it has **** all to do with your opinion on M. Obama's opinion on white people.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Maru

I have to call BS. If it doesn't matter to you (which is balony by the way), then why bother posting in a thread about female voting demographics and Donald Trump?

How does this topic even connect with white privilege?

Either **** or get off the can. You're derailing a thread for some unknown purpose... and I don't think it has **** all to do with your opinion on M. Obama's opinion on white people.

To answer your first question, I just posted what I thought was a throw away comment about Michelle Obama, after I'd seen a couple of posts championing Michelle Obama for next president.

But it got a few backs up, and I was told to explain (even though those who championed her was not asked to explain their reason they want her for president)

So for your next part, I didn't start the talking about Michelle Obama, and just posted a small little comment which was jumped on for an explanation, so how did I derail the thread?

Now go away you interfering busy body.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So Trump doesnt mean it but Michelle does? You know I'm gonna ask for evidence that she 'Cant stop bringing up race' and in that please define 'cant stop bringing up'?

There are quite a few ultra right wing sites that promote this idea so will be intrigued to see what you find.

No!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

No!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

It means I wont be providing you any evidence, I probably could but I don't think it would change anything, we'd both still stick to our own opinions, and I can't be arsed.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

It means I wont be providing you any evidence, I probably could but I don't think it would change anything, we'd both still stick to our own opinions, and I can't be arsed.

What is my opinion on what? So far I haven't expressed an opinion on whether Michelle Obama hates white America. You did that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

What is my opinion on what? So far I haven't expressed an opinion on whether Michelle Obama hates white America. You did that.

Sometimes I use my instincts, and the fact you seem to want to question me because I have an opinion on her, makes me think that you disagree with me, making you being of the differing opinion.

It's just what my instincts tell me, I could be wrong.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Sometimes I use my instincts, and the fact you seem to want to question me because I have an opinion on her, makes me think that you disagree with me, making you being of the differing opinion.

It's just what my instincts tell me, I could be wrong.

If I read this right are you saying you make baseless assumptions? Correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize if I am wrong but thats what it looks like you're saying.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If I read this right are you saying you make baseless assumptions? Correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize if I am wrong but thats what it looks like you're saying.

Yes, it's not a crime is it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Yes, it's not a crime is it?

Of course its not a crime

[Maru]

A Comprehensive Guide to Donald Trump's Women Problems This Election Season (Fortune)

October 14, 2016, 3:40 PM EDT

In the past 24 hours, at least eleven women have accused Donald Trump of sexual harassment or assault.

While the candidate has vehemently denied these charges—and even threatened to sue the New York Times for reporting on two of the allegations—this is only the most recent scandal involving women to crop up during Trump’s presidential bid.

Given the extraordinary nature of this campaign, you could be forgiven for having lost track of some of those incidents. Here’s a timeline that walks through the various insults and allegations that come up during the course of the race.

August 2015: Megyn Kelly

During the first Republican primary debate, Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly asked Trump about his comments about women, “You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs’ and ‘disgusting animals,’” she said, to which Trump responded: “Only Rosie O’Donnell.”

The day after the debate, Trump criticized Kelly’s style, saying she treated him unfairly: “She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions,” Trump said, adding, “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever”—a remark some observers read as a reference to menstruation.

The scuffle led to a nine-month-long feud, during which Trump called Kelly an “overrated anchor,” “crazy Megyn,” and “very bad at math,” among other things. The two apparently made peace during Kelly’s primetime special in May 2016. “I like our relationship right now,” Trump said toward the end of their conversation.

September 2015: Carly Fiorina

A Rolling Stone article chronicled Trump’s commentary about his primary opponents, including former HP CEO Carly Fiorina, the only woman gunning for the Republican nomination. “Look at that face!” he said about Fiorina while watching a replay of an earlier debate. “Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!”

Fiorina’s campaign retaliated with a web campaign ad showing Fiorina speaking at a Republican women’s event. “Ladies, look at this face,” Fiorina said in the ad. “And look at all your faces. The face of leadership. This is the face of a 61-year-old woman. I am proud of every year and every wrinkle.”

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March 2016: Punishment for abortions

In an interview with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Trump said that “there has to be some form of punishment” for women who get abortions, should the procedure be banned in the U.S. He later walked the statement back, issuing a press release that stated that “the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman.”

April 2016: The ‘woman card’

During his Super Tuesday victory speech, the GOP candidate accused Hillary Clinton of playing up her gender during the campaign. “She’s got nothing else going,” Trump said during a press conference after the speech. “And frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don’t think she’d get 5% of the vote. The only thing she’s got going is the woman’s card.”

The Clinton campaign quickly spun the comments into a slogan, offering physical “woman cards” to donors and using the hashtag #womancard when speaking about platform issues pertaining to women (e.g. equal pay and paid parental leave).

May 2016: New York Times exposé

The New York Times published the results of a six-week, 50-interview investigation into Donald Trump’s treatment of women. The women’s accounts “reveal unwelcome romantic advances, unending commentary on the female form, a shrewd reliance on ambitious women, and unsettling workplace conduct,” according to the Times.

The Trump campaign disputed many of the details of the Times’ investigation: “A lot of things get made up over the years,” he told the publication. “I have always treated women with great respect. And women will tell you that.”

June-August 2016: Staffer sexism

A Huffington Post investigation revealed that in May, three-fourths of Donald Trump’s campaign staff was male and that female staff members made 35% less than their male counterparts. In August, Trump appointed a 13-person economic advisory team that included six men named Steve—but not a single woman. He later added several women to the group.

September 2016: Alicia Machado

During the first presidential debate, Hillary Clinton called out her opponent for his treatment of former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. “He called the woman Miss Piggy,” she said. “Then he called her ‘Miss Housekeeping,’ because she was Latina. Donald, she has a name.”

October 2016:

The Apprentice: The AP published an investigation into the billionaire’s treatment of women on his reality TV show, The Apprentice. According to the publication, he “rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he’d like to have sex with.”

Access Hollywood: The Washington Post released tapes of Donald Trump talking to Access Hollywood host Billy Bush about groping and kissing women without their consent. “When you’re a star, you can do anything you want,” he says.

Assault allegations: Following the release of the tapes and the candidate’s statement during the second presidential debate that he never actually did any of the things he had talked about (he called it “locker room talk”), more than ten women have come forward with accusations of harassment and assault.

Source:
A Comprehensive Guide to Donald Trump's Women Problems This Election Season
http://fortune.com/2016/10/13/donald...omen-timeline/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Since when are you a man?


I'm not surprised at the OPs post. Still seeing a lot of support for this Puto everywhere

For 26 years or so

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Alf

To answer your first question, I just posted what I thought was a throw away comment about Michelle Obama, after I'd seen a couple of posts championing Michelle Obama for next president.

But it got a few backs up, and I was told to explain (even though those who championed her was not asked to explain their reason they want her for president)

So for your next part, I didn't start the talking about Michelle Obama, and just posted a small little comment which was jumped on for an explanation, so how did I derail the thread?

Now go away you interfering busy body.

While I appreciate the time you're taking to respond to those comments therein, an inflammatory statement about supposed views on white privilege has naught to do with the OP, which is about voting demographics in the US.

Michelle's speech has everything to do with this discussion since she is a not only coming from an informed position, but she herself represents the female vote seeing as she is not only a US citizen, but is an active female voter. I don't necessarily agree with others that she should be president as I don't think inspirational speeches are enough to prepare someone for the presidency. However, I don't see how some idle conjecture about her views on white privilege aka alleged racist views has anything to do with this topic...

That said, one of your quotes...

and what he get's up to with women doesn't really effect me, so I'm not that bothered.

It's like setting up a large fire in the center of a live protest and then turning to people and saying "Well I don't care actually care about what the protesters are talking about... I just didn't like your choice in speakers". Bullocks.

I don't think Michelle Obama was the trigger behind your "throw away comment". I think you made the post to derail the thread because you didn't like the discussion, and for what purpose, I won't even try to surmise.

[Maru]

Donald Trump's lead in my state is shrinking...

New poll: Trump lead shrinks in Texas, within margin of error
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas...rror/335896258

For perspective, Mitt Romney won Texas by 16 points in 2012, John McCain won this state by 13 points in 2008, George W. Bush carried his home state by 23 points in 2004, and 22 points in 2000 when he was elected to his first term.

Where Texas Republicans Stand on Donald Trump
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10...nd-donald-tru/

The surfacing of a 2005 clip showing Donald Trump speaking lewdly about women has caused many Republicans to drop their support for their party's presidential nominee. Here's how the controversy is unfolding in Texas.

Texas hasn't been blue since 1976. If Trump loses TX, that would be huge. It's entirely possible too. Many people I know around my age, especially minorities, were never really actively engaged voters so that could change this election. Trump didn't win the primary either.

The biggest irony of all, with all his talk of being anti-immigration and fixing borders (something that is always an issue here), would be to lose in the state of Texas because of the female vote. I don't see how he could ever live that down.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

[Ammi]

..so the 19th amendment is women's right to vote and the joking..(or not joking....)..is about repealing that..?...I loved Michelle Obama's inspirational speech.....she referred to political stances and said this shouldn't be a Republic V Democratic thing, this should be a human thing../speaking of basically sexual assaulting another person...it's the same with gender as well...I think I said that in another thread...this shouldn't be a gender thing either...what he said was his 'practised methods' is offensive to everyone and worrying, no matter what the gender.../sexual assault is a human thing...

[Jamie89]

I know a lot (most?) of the people saying to repeal the 19th are just joking, but some of them aren't. Maybe that's not important because there's no danger of it ever happening anyway, but I think the fact that the idea of it is gaining traction is more symbolic than anything. Symbolic of the undertones of this campaign, and the influence of Trump, and the thoughts and feeling of some (some!) of his supporters. And if this is his influence at this stage, what would his influence be as president? There are a lot of impressionable people who will look up to him as president and follow his lead, being a leader and all. And we know that he thinks it's fine to show a complete lack of disrespect for women. Most men don't though so why any of those men would want him to be their representative is something I don't understand at all.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I know a lot (most?) of the people saying to repeal the 19th are just joking, but some of them aren't. Maybe that's not important because there's no danger of it ever happening anyway, but I think the fact that the idea of it is gaining traction is more symbolic than anything. Symbolic of the undertones of this campaign, and the influence of Trump, and the thoughts and feeling of some (some!) of his supporters. And if this is his influence at this stage, what would his influence be as president? There are a lot of impressionable people who will look up to him as president and follow his lead, being a leader and all. And we know that he thinks it's fine to show a complete lack of disrespect for women. Most men don't though so why any of those men would want him to be their representative is something I don't understand at all.

..yeah like the possibility of a grim, sleezy reality TV person becoming the President of the USA...ooooops, Jamie....../how these things can pick up traction in uncertain/fearful and frustrating times for countries...

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah like the possibility of a grim, sleezy reality TV person becoming the President of the USA...ooooops, Jamie....../how these things can pick up traction in uncertain/fearful and frustrating times for countries...

it's just bizarre isn't it, the whole thing. It would have been a great concept for a parody/comedy sketch or something, but to think it's actually modern day america... Can't get my head round it.

[Mokka]

me Jamie and Ammi rt now

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Mokka

me Jamie and Ammi rt now

the pitchforks being just out of shot

[Ammi]

.....I can't actually recall now what came first, the chicken or the egg..(I'm not even American..)...but it's just been like a haze of a nightmare that's become a reality...I guess with the extreme of the most possible 'establishment' candidate being so dubious of character herself...there would inevitably be an opposing extreme to that because the whole concept just initiates those extremes rising...

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

the pitchforks being just out of shot

Never let them know you're pack'n

[Maru]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

If this is primarily from the internet, then it's hard for me to take as seriously. Though I'm sure there is a fringe out there that takes it all very seriously. I haven't met any crazy voters from either side yet. None at my husband's job and I don't see that many bumper stickers tbqh (and I love to look at bumper stickers seeing as I'm a designer).

Part of me wants to go to a rally to see who the are people are still going to these revelations have come out, on the other hand I don't want to caught in angry mob.

Anyway, Russian hackers. It's a real thing. Though seriously...

Since the election began, when I would sometimes read internet comments, there would be random waves of anti-Clinton/Obama commentary in articles that had jack all to do with politics. I have seen so many accounts with a full time jobs worth of posts and fudged histories... some you had to dig to find evidence of being fake, but you could tell right away they were propaganda accts.

I doubt a lot of the stuff I read online, especially comments, because it's a very real thing that these campaigns are paying people to make and post from fake accounts to make it seem as if a movement is stronger than it actually is. They will sit and argue too and I'm sure it pays to run campaigns in this way...

Also 4chan and reddit love to get in on the trolling fun. The internet is the wild west.

Clinton SuperPac Admits to Paying Internet Trolls
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4...nternet-Trolls

It looks like Russia hired internet trolls to pose as pro-Trump Americans
http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...d-trump-2016-7

How an army of pro-Donald Trump trolls are taking over Reddit
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-donal...ok-over-reddit

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

If this is primarily from the internet, then it's hard for me to take as seriously. Though I'm sure there is a fringe out there that takes it all very seriously. I haven't met any crazy voters from either side yet. None at my husband's job and I don't see that many bumper stickers tbqh (and I love to look at bumper stickers seeing as I'm a designer).

Part of me wants to go to a rally to see who the are people are still going to these revelations have come out, on the other hand I don't want to caught in angry mob.

Anyway, Russian hackers. It's a real thing. Though seriously...

Since the election began, when I would sometimes read internet comments, there would be random waves of anti-Clinton/Obama commentary in articles that had jack all to do with politics. I have seen so many accounts with a full time jobs worth of posts and fudged histories... some you had to dig to find evidence of being fake, but you could tell right away they were propaganda accts.

I doubt a lot of the stuff I read online, especially comments, because it's a very real thing that these campaigns are paying people to make and post from fake accounts to make it seem as if a movement is stronger than it actually is. They will sit and argue too and I'm sure it pays to run campaigns in this way...

Clinton SuperPac Admits to Paying Internet Trolls
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4...nternet-Trolls

It looks like Russia hired internet trolls to pose as pro-Trump Americans
http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...d-trump-2016-7

How an army of pro-Donald Trump trolls are taking over Reddit
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-donal...ok-over-reddit

..I'll look at your links a bit later in the day when I have more time Maru as I have to get off now...but wasn't it Reddit also that were asking for people to share the vid with Hilary's 'rapist enabler', slanted in editing video in the other thread..?..