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Raph · 21-10-2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'd definitely disagree about Tim Dormer. I didn't see BBCAN4 all the way through but from watching his BBAU he didn't seem like a "sociopath" at all, particularly from his emotional response to a few of the evictions (and that clip from the web series he did with Ben where he got teary when Ben was talking about his personal demons). Loads of RTV contestants make claims about not caring about people etc in their VTs, the vast majority of it is bravado to get on the show.

I think he's someone who can get very into a game and separate strategic decisions from his personal feelings but definitely not a sociopath.

But that's the point isn't it? Sociopaths can exert emotions just as well, if not better than a regular person it's just that it's all calculated and utilized to get a response. Plus, the fact that Tim saw little to no guilt in anything he did also adds to my thoughts

Macie Lightfoot · 21-10-2016, 04:02 PM

The psych test has always been a BB myth as far as I'm concerned. As for sociopaths, I feel like people use the term in reality TV very loosely and often apply it to people who they want to seem as cutthroat so it can boost their clout as a gameplayer or something. Like, Dan and Paulie are not sociopaths and even if they were, that's not complimentary even if it makes them Good Players. Dan is just a sleazy conartist and Paulie suffers from narcissistic personality disorder if anything.

Daniel. · 21-10-2016, 05:11 PM

I agree it's used lightly

Cassandra and Tim are not sociopaths, they are manipulative sure, but they are playing a game for money

I don't think anyone on BB has been an out and out socipath, Bea and Makosi come closest

Lostie! · 21-10-2016, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph

But that's the point isn't it? Sociopaths can exert emotions just as well, if not better than a regular person it's just that it's all calculated and utilized to get a response. Plus, the fact that Tim saw little to no guilt in anything he did also adds to my thoughts

But with that thinking, we might as well theorize that everyone we've ever met is really a sociopath and everything that goes against that is all a calculated act. I like to take what I see at face value, especially since the thing with Ben I mentioned was about Ben suffering with depression (he even took an overdose) so I like to believe that his reaction was absolutely genuine and he cared about what his friend was going through rather than it being a manufactured response for personal benefit. I mean, what would he even have to gain in that particular moment from faking it?

And tbh him not feeling much guilt in game moves in an environment where they're all there to win doesn't signify him being a sociopath imo, it's a world away from the things a sociopathic person would be able to do guilt-free in the real world.

Daniel. · 21-10-2016, 05:12 PM

I think people don't actually know what a sociopath is.

Macie Lightfoot · 21-10-2016, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel.

I agree it's used lightly

Cassandra and Tim are not sociopaths, they are manipulative sure, but they are playing a game for money

I don't think anyone on BB has been an out and out socipath, Bea and Makosi come closest

I personally think Makosi falls more into histrionic personality disorder, but it's not like someone can only have one personality disorder and she definitely has some sociopathic tendencies lol like the cruelty with which she ****ing iced Kemal.

IDK, I think people just like to use the sociopath label in reality TV when they want to attribute someone's manipulative and conniving nature as Good Gameplay. Like you said, it's a structured game with a huge carrot dangling at the end, of course people are gonna lie.

Like, I don't think Kenneth Tong was particularly manipulative and he definitely didn't play A Good Game, but he's definitely a sociopath alol.