[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

There was me thinking it was the Sisters of Mercy trying to reclaim Christmas

Some would rather believe that than be proved wrong about open borders. Pathetic really.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Some would rather believe that than be proved wrong about open borders. Pathetic really.

Indeed

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

There was me thinking it was the Sisters of Mercy trying to reclaim Christmas

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Some would rather believe that than be proved wrong about open borders. Pathetic really.

This wasn't caused by refugee policies or open borders It was caused because the West just couldn't keep its fingers out of the pie.

We do not yet know the cause of this, we are still not 100% sure of the drivers identity and what the political motivation was. We know it was a deliberate attack, but we do not know why at this stage, all we have is speculation.

What is your solution to the problem, let everybody die in the sea, keep the refugees in lands where they are being bombed to oblivion with the full support of western governments? You think it's ok when the USA go in and murder innocent people, you say nothing about that, and when it creates a power vaccum and this happens, you still forget the responsibility our governments had in creating this.

How do you sleep at night ?

[DemolitionRed]

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by North Star Monkey

Islamic State has claimed responsibility now

But they're gonna do that aren't they, even if it's a lone wolf attack...make themselves seem more powerful and more scary.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Indeed.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This wasn't caused by refugee policies or open borders It was caused because the West just couldn't keep its fingers out of the pie.

We do not yet know the cause of this, we are still not 100% sure of the drivers identity and what the political motivation was. We know it was a deliberate attack, but we do not know why at this stage, all we have is speculation.

What is your solution to the problem, let everybody die in the sea, keep the refugees in lands where they are being bombed to oblivion with the full support of western governments? You think it's ok when the USA go in and murder innocent people, you say nothing about that, and when it creates a power vaccum and this happens, you still forget the responsibility our governments had in creating this.

How do you sleep at night ?

Send them to the first safe country where they are supposed to go. But it clearly isn't just safety they want is it? How convenient that few supporters of mass migration mention this.

Do you seriously expect this little island to take in everyone who wants to come here? I think you need a reality check!

Do you sleep ok when people have died at the hands of people who took advantage of our ridiculous open door policy?

You can take the moral high ground all you like but we are not responsible for providing for the whole world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Evidence?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Send them to the first safe country where they are supposed to go. But it clearly isn't just safety they want is it? How convenient that few supporters of mass migration mention this.

Do you seriously expect this little island to take in everyone who wants to come here? I think you need a reality check!

Do you sleep ok when people have died at the hands of people who took advantage of our ridiculous open door policy?

You can take the moral high ground all you like but we are not responsible for providing for the whole world.

This is as simplistic as it is blinkered, refugees cannot and should not all remain in one area, those who made decisions have to be accountable for the results of their actions.

As I stated in another thread our island mentality is what creates issues with people coming in, however it never extends in the reverse, we have no problem with us going wherever we please :/

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

This is as simplistic as it is blinkered, refugees cannot and should not all remain in one area, those who made decisions have to be accountable for the results of their actions.

As I stated in another thread our island mentality is what creates issues with people coming in, however it never extends in the reverse, we have no problem with us going wherever we please :/

We have made the decision that we want to take back control of our borders. What actions are we accountable for?

There is no comparison with skilled, educated people emigrating to countries where their skills are in demand to the taking in of masses of people who we know nothing about, many of whom don't speak English, particularly in these difficult political and economical times - no comparison whatsoever. Absurd comparison.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

We have made the decision that we want to take back control of our borders. What actions are we accountable for?

There is no comparison with skilled, educated people emigrating to countries where their skills are in demand to the taking in of masses of people who we know nothing about, many of whom don't speak English, particularly in these difficult political and economical times - no comparison whatsoever. Absurd comparison.

With regard to military action.... not ex pats :/

Control of our borders? that won't happen, we need cheap labour therefore a steady stream is required,

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

With regard to military action.... not ex pats :/

Control of our borders? that won't happen, we need cheap labour therefore a steady stream is required,

Of course it will happen. We can still get cheap labour at the same time as having control of our borders, we just won't have to let any Tom,dick , Harry or Isis supporter in.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

I haven't read very diligently but I haven't seen anyone say anything like that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Ridiculous comment. Germany is simply the victim of a politically correct government who cares more about political correctness than its own people, something it seems Merkel may live to regret.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Yes Germany
says its Terrorist Attack now
but may want to withdraw Isis from it?


The Evil , now dead
Isis Terrorist Truck Driver in Nice , France
Killed 86 Fast,
Soft targets
ideal for Big Trucks, sadly.
France still under State Of Emgerncey
gives the Police more rights.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36842311
they may choose to extend it a 5th or is it a 6th time
I have lost count

[arista]

"Control of our borders? that won't happen, we need cheap labour therefore a steady stream is required,"

Yes kizzy
Cheaper worker contracts
will carry on.
But every workers name will be listed
by the Home Office
30mins extra - NOT a Problem

The Outside Workers arriving for Hard work
just want to do it.
They ain't Evil Isis Terrorists

Better Control Of Borders - Will Happen
even New Labour (thats the group trying to get rid of Good old Corbyn)back that

[arista]

Isis have now Confirmed
this Berlin Truck was their mission.

There you go Germany
Its all Official NOW

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Of course it will happen. We can still get cheap labour at the same time as having control of our borders, we just won't have to let any Tom,dick , Harry or Isis supporter in.

How?..

[Denver]

So it was a Tunisian

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by HomeTownJesus

So it was a Tunisian

The majority of which are Muslim.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

How?..

One point of Brexit for many was not just locking the borders and not letting anyone in.But taking in the skills(or lack of) that we need.Just to have control of who we are letting in.If we need doctors and nurses then lets bring them in and let's not discriminate against the rest of the world in favour of Europeans(which is what the inward looking EU does),If we need unskilled labourers then let's bring them in with equal chance for everyone wherever they are from.
The point is that we decide who we need.Eastern European countries with low wages joining the EU one by one and flocking here with us not being able to control it is not what the country needs.That just drives our wages down and keeps many of our own people out of work.

[arista]

Reward of 100,000 euros to find
Berlin lorry attack suspect

Warning : Armed and Dangerous

http://news.sky.com/story/reward-of-...spect-10704281

Below a photo of the Murdered
Polish Driver
Stabbed and Shot Dead , sadly

[Livia]

Originally Posted by North Star Monkey

One point of Brexit for many was not just locking the borders and not letting anyone in.But taking in the skills(or lack of) that we need.Just to have control of who we are letting in.If we need doctors and nurses then lets bring them in and let's not discriminate against the rest of the world in favour of Europeans(which is what the inward looking EU does),If we need unskilled labourers then let's bring them in with equal chance for everyone wherever they are from.
The point is that we decide who we need.Eastern European countries with low wages joining the EU one by one and flocking here with us not being able to control it is not what the country needs.That just drives our wages down and keeps many of our own people out of work.

Hopefully it'll be more like Canada and Australia. If you want to live there you have to have some skills to offer, they have to need you.

[empire]

the islamic ideology does not fit into the western life of are society, and many muslims come from cultures that thighing of girls as young as six years old to men that are the age of 30 to 80 years old, and many of these girls get raped and have a baby before they hit ten, and many women get stoned to death just for cheating on their husbands, and many are killed just for talking to a boy, gay people are executed or killed by their families, just because they are homosexuals, muslim men see white girls as meat or fair game, the biggest hypocrisy of the left-wing and the feminists is that they curse western men and they blame others for the terrorism and mass rapes that have happened in the last year, but you don't get western men viewing muslim girls as easy meat or fair game even if they are wearing a hijab or dressed as a western girl, the pro refugee protesters had signs that said we want rapists over racists, and that is a huge insult to victims of rape and terrorism,