[Dr43%er]

To be honest I can't see why you are saying that. A few of us have differing opinions but I have seen nothing overtly racist. Care to indulge me?

[Lolla]

Here is something to ponder:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15/whites.only.ap/

(edit to add: There's more where that came from)



Also, I do believe there is a post in this thread which states that most race crime is done by whites...

[Lolla]

"but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp" <--- there is the quote I referred to..

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

Examples are
http://www.mosaicbrighton.org.uk/ this is the kind of thing I was on about, it seems its fine to have this kind of group but were we to start a white only kind of site similar we would be branded racists

I think the thing is, that white people are not a minority. There is racism all over. We can't get away from that fact. This is an example of a group that are an "ethnic minority". It is a support group for this "minority group". White people are the majority in this country. If they were a minority then I am sure they would exist.

I found this quote

"I could possibly understand the need for a white support group in an area populated mostly by people of color. But, to be blunt, in general American society, I wouldn't see the real need for a support group for whites. Though as human beings whites obviously face all of the trials and tribulations that any human experiences, we live in a country controlled and dominated by white people, so a white person's skin color has probably never prevented them from advancing in this society; it's probably never been a source of shame and punishment, and it's probably never been cause to make them feel "different" or "inferior."

I am sure in some areas of the world where white people are a minority it is perfectly acceptable to have a "white" support group.


http://media.www.bsccomment.com/medi...58-page2.shtml

[Lolla]

With the amount of interracial relationships nowadays, there will come a day where there are no black people or white people. Everyone will be of mixed origin.

[gracie24]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

I think the thing is, that white people are not a minority. There is racism all over. We can't get away from that fact. This is an example of a group that are an "ethnic minority". It is a support group for this "minority group". White people are the majority in this country. If they were a minority then I am sure they would exist.

I found this quote

"I could possibly understand the need for a white support group in an area populated mostly by people of color. But, to be blunt, in general American society, I wouldn't see the real need for a support group for whites. Though as human beings whites obviously face all of the trials and tribulations that any human experiences, we live in a country controlled and dominated by white people, so a white person's skin color has probably never prevented them from advancing in this society; it's probably never been a source of shame and punishment, and it's probably never been cause to make them feel "different" or "inferior."

I am sure in some areas of the world where white people are a minority it is perfectly acceptable to have a "white" support group.

I can completely see where you're coming from but there are days such as Black Pride Day and most people find that acceptable and don't even comment on it.
But that fact is that if there was a White Pride Day, the people taking part and organising it would be classed as racist.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by gracie24

I can completely see where you're coming from but there are days such as Black Pride Day and most people find that acceptable and don't even comment on it.
But that fact is that if there was a White Pride Day, the people taking part and organising it would be classed as racist.

I would ask you to look at this link

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show....php?p=1749334

March 21st is White Pride Day

White people have not been oppressed with slavery and apartheid etc. Black Pride Day celebrates the fact that this no longer happens.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

I would ask you to look at this link

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show....php?p=1749334

March 21st is White Pride Day

White people have not been oppressed with slavery and apartheid etc. Black Pride Day celebrates the fact that this no longer happens.

White people have also been oppessed with slavery but a long time before back slavery.

[gracie24]

Well thanks for the link, I wasn't aware that there was a White Pride Day.
It's not publicised over here though is it?

[spitfire]

Originally posted by gracie24
Well thanks for the link, I wasn't aware that there was a White Pride Day.
It's not publicised over here though is it?

To be honest i dont think thats the kind of white pride day you mean,or at least i hope not.Thats a vile nazi site.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by spitfire

White people have also been oppessed with slavery but a long time before back slavery.

Can I ask you a question? Black people were enslaved by white men. When there was white slavery, were they enslaved by black men?

Also, have white people ever been excluded like apartheid did to black people?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by spitfire

To be honest i dont think thats the kind of white pride day you mean,or at least i hope not.Thats a vile nazi site.

Merely highlighting there actually is a white pride day.

[spitfire]

No,i dont think they were.
Im sure if we look deep enough we would find somewhere,where whites
have been the victims of aparthied.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by spitfire

Im sure if we look deep enough we would find somewhere,where whites
have been the victims of aparthied.

Have a look and let me know.

[Dr43%er]

Mugabe has already been mentioned has he not? Oh, and Lolla. I still don't see anyone being racist. Ill informed maybe.

[Lolla]

Fair comment doc.

I really don't get the big deal though. Do some white people want a White Day or a White Group. I mean, I'm straight, but I don't feel left out of the Gay Pride rallies.

STRAIGHT PRIDE... *shakes fist*

[Dr43%er]

Bi pride day!!! Shakes one fist. Waves the other limply.

[Sunny_01]

I dont think it's that anyone actually "wants" a white pride day, or a white support group as it just causes division, its just that we would be called racist were we to want one, I dont think I am making much sense here though.

My dream:
That we would live in a world, but would settle for country where no group of individuals felt the need to have groups that highlight either the colour of their skin, their sexuality, disability etc... we are after all just people, we all have flesh and blood, feelings that can be hurt.

I dream of a more tolerant, inclusive society, I just want equality to mean exactly that equality for everyone.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

My dream:
That we would live in a world, but would settle for country where no group of individuals felt the need to have groups that highlight either the colour of their skin, their sexuality, disability etc... we are after all just people, we all have flesh and blood, feelings that can be hurt.

I dream of a more tolerant, inclusive society, I just want equality to mean exactly that equality for everyone.

It's called an ideal one.

[Sunny_01]

tell me about it Baz, if only eh

[gracie24]

Originally posted by spitfire

To be honest i dont think thats the kind of white pride day you mean,or at least i hope not.Thats a vile nazi site.

I'm not really aware of what site it was or anything like that or the content of the White Pride Day they support to be perfectly honest.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Mugabe has already been mentioned has he not? Oh, and Lolla. I still don't see anyone being racist. Ill informed maybe.

I'd agree. I don't think anyone on here has been racist. I DO think that there have been posts which indicate a belief that only white people can be racist, but that's down to lack of understanding the subject. Ignorance, if you like.

[Sunny_01]

I once went on a racial awareness course and the guy delivering the course actually said "only white people are capable of racism" he said this an hour into the course so I left, he had no tolerence for our outrage and said that is was just the way things are! he would not enter into debate about it.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

Can I ask you a question? Black people were enslaved by white men. When there was white slavery, were they enslaved by black men?

Also, have white people ever been excluded like apartheid did to black people?

I don't undertand the distinction between whether or not the enslavers need to be black for the slavery to cause an greater or lesser amount of continued offence to the descendents of the enslaved...

slavery and exclusion was practiced by Romans, Huns, Goths, Mongols, etc etc,

and when we talk about exclusion do we include the Indian caste system when we talk about apartheid ? - as I never seem to see the two coupled together

But if we are going to start talking about slavery, then I think the Romans and Vikings have a hell to answer for in my part of the world.

or is that now deemed too long ago ?
at what point does too long ago start ?

and can I claim damages from the Norwegian and Italian Governments ?

What politician will jump on that paticular bandwagon ?