[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not sure if many people knowingly insult others.. It seems to me, more one-up-manship, until somebody eventually crosses the line.
I think serious debates have got more.. serious.. because of the recent **** that went on.. brexit, trump, ge17 (admittedly, I dont know where the anti-muslim rhetoric has stemmed from, was there much of this before the referendum?).. but this hasnt been a normal 12 months for Western politics..
SD might revert to normal once the backlash of ge17, brexit, and trump dies down because I cant think of many upcoming political milestones as big as these in the near future

You're obviously intelligent and I enjoy reading your posts for the most part though I don't always agree I do sometimes but I feel if I mentioned that you'd think I was mocking you or something. I enjoy reading most people on the forum, but there are a few I feel don't listen and just bite without really taking on board what others are saying.

I think you (and others) mistake anti religious feeling and concerns for women in religions for anti muslim rhetoric. I think the muslim religion comes up a lot because of current affairs and the current spate of terroism, and because of the whole face covering thing. As religions go, it is one of the worst for the oppression of women so that too comes up a lot. It seems to me as if there are two groups on the forum, one that are looking at the negatives of the religion and another that view those negatives as anti the people who adhere to it. It's quite complex really.

For me personally I don't believe in religion and feel it is tolerable only in so far as when it doesn't tell people how to live, how many babies to have, whether or not to mutilate their children's genitals, who else to pick on or kill, how to dress, and who to marry and at what age etc.

[Northern Monkey]

Piling huge numbers of people with an opposing ideology to our own in is dangerous,irresponsible and causes many problems.
Smashing two cultures together that have many differences is never going to be pain free.
Is this the fault of the majority of the people coming?Of course not.That is their culture.
The problems come when we are expected tolerate aspects which are in opposition to our own culture.That should not be happening.Sexism,FGM,Grooming underage girls,Sharia,covering your wife up etc etc
A gentle trickle with refugees given priority is a much fairer safer way to do things imo with an understanding that western countries do things a little differently.
There are huge numbers of people who are not refugees flocking into Europe and there needs to be a limit on the numbers.
Again you can't blame these people but you can't just say 'come on all pile in'.That is when this culture shock and clash happens and problems occur and also how politicians like Le Pen gain popularity.Even when she loses the French election(which she will) she has still won.She's won loads of new followers,support and legitimacy.
This is all the fault of the current and previous administrations.

As for this forum.I doubt anybody actually genuinely dislikes anybody.Chances are if everyone went to the pub they'd have a right laugh.