[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The results were mixed. We lost seats but we are closing the gap on the Conservatives. I am disappointed at every Labour defeat in the local elections. Too many fantastic councillors, who work tirelessly for their communities, lost their seats.

We have five weeks to win the general election, so we can fundamentally transform Britain for the many not the few.

We know this is no small task – it is a challenge on a historic scale. But we, the whole Labour movement and the British people, can’t afford not to seize our moment.

The British people have been held back for too long. Labour will put more money in people’s pockets with a £10 real living wage, look after our pensioners by protecting the triple-lock on state pensions and give everybody the care and dignity they deserve by properly funding our NHS and social care system.

I urge everyone to vote Labour because things can – and will – change.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...b07939cb6972aa

Good try!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not blaming solely the unemployed but there are a lot of lazy sods who could get off their arse and work, it would all help, I also blame mismanagement of money , the greed of certain people , the overcrowding which is also impacting the NHS , no one has to agree with me infact I know they wont, but they are my opinions and views and until something happens to change that I will continue to be a terrible Tory supporter. Plus people do whine all the time nothing is ever good enough for them simple as, they always want more.I am no different to you or anyone else who think their opinions are the right ones, BUT I do have an open mind,as I have changed sides before.

Its posts like this that make me think, all is lost, its hopeless. No amount of debating will help, no amount of knowledge will make a difference.

Back in the golden age of capitalism, 50s – 80s, we had a conception about middle class society. If you played by the rules and worked hard, you were going to move up; you were going to be better than your parents, your children were going to be better off than you. You were getting a sense of security. Now all that’s gone. Children are worse off than their parents. We no longer have the same land of opportunity. Our prospects are now more dependent on our relatives than ever before. The price of inequality is undermining our economy. Since the 80s we’ve been growing apart.

Haven’t you noticed that middle class income is going down? Do you understand why that’s happening and why its been happening since the 80s? The gap between the rich and everyone else is becoming critical and that’s because neoliberal/conservatism is fundamentally flawed. Whichever way you look at it, neoliberalism eventually leads to inequality, if not for you, for your children or your grandchildren.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Do you have to keep telling yourself this stuff so you believe it?
It's a little out of touch with reality.

Whatever makes you say that?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Do you have to keep telling yourself this stuff so you believe it?
It's a little out of touch with reality.

It's a quote so I'll ignore the insult.

[DemolitionRed]

Out of interest Jaxie, what's your reality?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Nice counter arguement.

Cant argue with your facebook mindset.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not true, that's basically just a political ploy to get the working and middle classes to turn on each other instead of focusing on the real evil that will ruin us all.

Instead of looking down, try looking up.

I was described as working to middle class on my facebook tonight......THANKS!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I was described as working to middle class on my facebook tonight......THANKS!

I think many unprofessional working people call themselves middle class now don't they?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not blaming solely the unemployed but there are a lot of lazy sods who could get off their arse and work, it would all help, I also blame mismanagement of money , the greed of certain people , the overcrowding which is also impacting the NHS , no one has to agree with me infact I know they wont, but they are my opinions and views and until something happens to change that I will continue to be a terrible Tory supporter. Plus people do whine all the time nothing is ever good enough for them simple as, they always want more.I am no different to you or anyone else who think their opinions are the right ones, BUT I do have an open mind,as I have changed sides before.

Have you been on benefits lately? Last time I was unemployed for long enough to be was a couple of years back but even for the short time I was on it it never felt like the 'lazy' option and judging from what I've heard from people I know who are currently unemployed it hasn't exactly gotten easier. Given ATOS' methods, the benefit cap and the various schemes that get forced onto the unemployed, I have to completely refuse the notion that 'lazy sods' are to blame for the state the country is in. I doubt anyone would want to stay on benefits if they were healthy and capable considering the stories of sanction targets and schemes like SJP in place. The unemployed are simply a scapegoat and they always have been. Like I said before, if you want to be angry at the real scroungers then you look to the politicians, the corporations and the upper class/elite for their tax practices and abuses are where the real issue lies.

As for your point about 'whining'... To simply accept a bad situation just because is truly sad, making do with a bad situation and blaming the wrong people because it's easier than admitting the truth is something that I can do nothing else but pity whoever thinks that way.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think many unprofessional working people call themselves middle class now don't they?

I better get back to the cheeky twat then.

[Denver]

Even Scotland are turning tory

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Even Scotland are turning tory

Stretch. They took almost all of their seats from Labour and Independent candidates, not SNP.

What you're seeing is the Unionists who were traditionally Labour voters turning Tory as a tactical anti-Indy vote. Tories north of the border sold themselves as "The Unionist Party".

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Cant argue with your facebook mindset.

That's nice.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Stretch. They took almost all of their seats from Labour and Independent candidates, not SNP.

What you're seeing is the Unionists who were traditionally Labour voters turning Tory as a tactical anti-Indy vote. Tories north of the border sold themselves as "The Unionist Party".

It was said if the same momentum carries into next month Conservatives will win many seats in scotland including Glasgow

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

It was said if the same momentum carries into next month Conservatives will win many seats in scotland including Glasgow

It's impossible to predict, the GE and council elections use completely different voting. Local council uses a type of proportional representation and the GE does not. Also, the voting age on local council elections is skewed upwards and older people are more likely to vote Tory.

Local council elections have never been used to accurately predict a GE result. It's entirely guesswork.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Out of interest Jaxie, what's your reality?

My reality is that I have no one to vote for which is a touch annoying as the vote I have was hard fought for by many brave women.

That Labour are the most unpopular with the general public than they have ever been in my memory.

Articles claiming a potential win in 5 weeks seem unrealistic to me.

What about you?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Adam.

It was said if the same momentum carries into next month Conservatives will win many seats in scotland including Glasgow

I can guarantee you right now the tories will NOT win any seats in Glasgow

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I can guarantee you right now the tories will NOT win any seats in Glasgow

Not with the Ruth Davidson rape clause mess

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a quote so I'll ignore the insult.

I was referring to the quote. You quoted it, do you believe it?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I can guarantee you right now the tories will NOT win any seats in Glasgow

Seeing as many Scottish people favour staying in the UK either Tories or Lib Dems will be taking many seats with both against another Scottish Referendum

[Wizard.]

Sweeties miss Nicola Sturgeon will try to pull a fast one saying she has a mandate for IndyRef2 but the combined votes of unionist parties - Tory, Labour, Lib dems and Greens will outweigh all of her votes so check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[Firewire]

Scottish Greens are pro-independence

[arista]

[user104658]

arista killed tibb

[Greg!]

I love how anti-SNP chicks like Ruth Big Mooth Davidson are trying to redefine victory. "Ok you got the most seats but we got more gains than you!" "Actually we won if you combine our seats with labour and the lib dems!" Kind of tragic really!