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Ruth is an arsehole

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

My reality is that I have no one to vote for which is a touch annoying as the vote I have was hard fought for by many brave women.

That Labour are the most unpopular with the general public than they have ever been in my memory.

Articles claiming a potential win in 5 weeks seem unrealistic to me.

What about you?

My reality is, there is no viable opposition to what looks set to be yet another Conservative Party victory on 8th June and we appear to be heading towards a single party state.

May reminds me of Thatcher, the difference is, Thatcher had the benefit of trickledown economics. As she sold off our social structure, everyone got a piece of the pie. Now apart from the dregs of the NHS, there is little pie left and its only the fringes of society, the elite and those who made investments in the 80s who will benefit from the crumbs.

My reality is, the days of neoliberalism is reaching its end, just as its ideology predicted it would, but the Tories are pushing on regardless, knowing full well that a mild tweaking of the system won’t make our economy more efficient.

[Livia]

The only similarities between Thatcher and May is that they both have two X chromosomes and they're both Tories. When everything else fails, compare her to Thatcher.

It will be a single party state until Corbyn forgets his personal ambition and steps down for a better, more popular leader. The fact that he has refused to do so for so long while his party crumbles speaks volumes about him. It's HIM who is unpopular. Andy Burnham removed himself from Corbyn's shadow and won on the first round of votes in Manchester. It is Corbyn who's the fly in the ointment, not May.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

My reality is, there is no viable opposition to what looks set to be yet another Conservative Party victory on 8th June and we appear to be heading towards a single party state.

May reminds me of Thatcher, the difference is, Thatcher had the benefit of trickledown economics. As she sold off our social structure, everyone got a piece of the pie. Now apart from the dregs of the NHS, there is little pie left and its only the fringes of society, the elite and those who made investments in the 80s who will benefit from the crumbs.

My reality is, the days of neoliberalism is reaching its end, just as its ideology predicted it would, but the Tories are pushing on regardless, knowing full well that a mild tweaking of the system won’t make our economy more efficient.

We more or less agree then that we seem to have a one party state, but that is a fault at Labour and it's leaders door. I'm not really seeing the similarity with May and Thatcher so far.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only similarities between Thatcher and May is that they both have two X chromosomes and they're both Tories. When everything else fails, compare her to Thatcher.

It will be a single party state until Corbyn forgets his personal ambition and steps down for a better, more popular leader. The fact that he has refused to do so for so long while his party crumbles speaks volumes about him. It's HIM who is unpopular. Andy Burnham removed himself from Corbyn's shadow and won on the first round of votes in Manchester. It is Corbyn who's the fly in the ointment, not May.

Soo true.I've been pro Burnham since before the first Labour leadership contest.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

We more or less agree then that we seem to have a one party state, but that is a fault at Labour and it's leaders door. I'm not really seeing the similarity with May and Thatcher so far.

When Thatcher came along she, like May, had no viable opposition and it remained the same for at least three full terms.

Thatcher was the birth mother of neoliberalism in the UK and I’m sure she legitimately thought monetaristic economic policy was a good thing. It certainly helped a lot of people in the UK, including my parents.

May is a child of Thatcher, her policies are neoliberal, but the honeymoons over. Neoliberal ideology only has a short life span. She’s in no position like Thatcher was, to role back the state and give everyone the opportunity to be prosperous. All she can do is assist the already prosperous to further their riches.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only similarities between Thatcher and May is that they both have two X chromosomes and they're both Tories. When everything else fails, compare her to Thatcher.

It will be a single party state until Corbyn forgets his personal ambition and steps down for a better, more popular leader. The fact that he has refused to do so for so long while his party crumbles speaks volumes about him. It's HIM who is unpopular. Andy Burnham removed himself from Corbyn's shadow and won on the first round of votes in Manchester. It is Corbyn who's the fly in the ointment, not May.

Maybe Corbyn is a Tory spy, refusing to step down until he dies.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only similarities between Thatcher and May is that they both have two X chromosomes and they're both Tories. When everything else fails, compare her to Thatcher.

It will be a single party state until Corbyn forgets his personal ambition and steps down for a better, more popular leader. The fact that he has refused to do so for so long while his party crumbles speaks volumes about him. It's HIM who is unpopular. Andy Burnham removed himself from Corbyn's shadow and won on the first round of votes in Manchester. It is Corbyn who's the fly in the ointment, not May.

Corbyn couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery let alone run a country.

He has single handly destroyed the Labour party and is refusing to allow it to be fixed now were are looking at potentially decades before Labour will become a power to rival Conservatives again

[Tom4784]

If by 'fix' the party you mean return it to the Tory Labour party it was during the Blair/Brown days then may it stay broken forever.

I'd take my chances with a dreamer then suffer another Tory lite Labour Government.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If by 'fix' the party you mean return it to the Tory Labour party it was during the Blair/Brown days then may it stay broken forever.

I'd take my chances with a dreamer then suffer another Tory lite Labour Government.

As it has been said his understudy should be given the job as i have more faith in him

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Maybe Corbyn is a Tory spy, refusing to step down until he dies.

You may have something there - maybe he is a Tory plant to ensure Labour will never pose a threat to the Conservatives. Would be quite an effective ploy. Find someone totally incapable of the job and help them get elected as leader of the opposition. Win, win all the way.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You may have something there - maybe he is a Tory plant to ensure Labour will never pose a threat to the Conservatives. Would be quite an effective ploy. Find someone totally incapable of the job and help them get elected as leader of the opposition. Win, win all the way.

Well there were apparently a load of Tory supporters who paid the £3.00 membership to vote for him.They all knew what he'd be like as leader back before the first leadership contest.He's a real asset.....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well there were apparently a load of Tory supporters who paid the £3.00 membership to vote for him.They all knew what he'd be like as leader back before the first leadership contest.He's a real asset.....

Also, lots of Labour supporters joined the Tories to vote in the Conservative leadership election. But it costs £25 to join the Tories if you're over 23... and you have to have been a member for three months before you're eligible to vote. Labour couldn't even organise a decent leadership election.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Also, lots of Labour supporters joined the Tories to vote in the Conservative leadership election. But it costs £25 to join the Tories if you're over 23... and you have to have been a member for three months before you're eligible to vote. Labour couldn't even organise a decent leadership election.

Got to agree here.
I think the current Labour leadership system needs drastic change.

I like the across the whole Party idea but it has failed the last twice unfortunately.
If it had to be a Miliband in 2010,it should have been David not Ed.
Although a good solid Labour man Andy Burnham for me and as you implied,was a better choice.

I now think although I like the idea of wider electorate, Since constituencies pick candidates to be elected as MPs.
That then,as it used to be,those elected MPs are the ones to choose who leads them in Parliament.

Hard in a big Party to have a system that suits all I guess.
However it looks to me like a re think is needed badly.

[Kizzy]

I still have faith, I don't care about the councillors or the media drubbing... He has policies that I feel confident to stand behind and that's good enough for me. This govt is part way through a cull, I've said it before and each passing day it becomes more and more evident.
I cannot think of one single thing that would inspire me to vote tory... there is not one redeeming aspect if their ideology, past, present or future

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I still have faith, I don't care about the councillors or the media drubbing... He has policies that I feel confident to stand behind and that's good enough for me. This govt is part way through a cull, I've said it before and each passing day it becomes more and more evident.
I cannot think of one single thing that would inspire me to vote tory... there is not one redeeming aspect if their ideology, past, present or future

And that's why the Labour Party will continue to get a proper drubbing at every election until Corbyn goes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

And that's why the Labour Party will continue to get a proper drubbing at every election until Corbyn goes.

Why, because I support them?....:/

I get you don't like him liv, it's fine you don't have to reiterate it on every one of my posts.