[Parmy]

Lets all post our flags and we stand with london banners and go about our daily business as if nothings happened.

May is right, things need to change.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Lets all post our flags and we stand with london banners and go about our daily business as if nothings happened.

May is right, things need to change.

Anyone with a brain cell can see that parmnion,all this lets be nice and welcome all is all well and good as long as you sift out the bad seed,but the bad seed is getting in and growing into the scum that want to kill innocents,time to sift them out and get rid.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Anyone with a brain cell can see that parmnion,all this lets be nice and welcome all is all well and good as long as you sift out the bad seed,but the bad seed is getting in and growing into the scum that want to kill innocents,time to sift them out and get rid.

Isis did say they would send 100 if not 1000 of fighters in amongst all the immigrants we have sadly seen fleeing places like syria.


I wont be surprised if these 3 are homegrown.

But people ask who are influencing or supposedly brainwashing them?

Could it be possible its the isis fighters who have managed to return home seeing as its so easy to hide yourself on the internet.

[joeysteele]

Well it certainly is not going to help at all helping create more suspicion and division against Islam as she seems to be trying to.
At a time we need all communities and Islamic ones to come together to only then fuel more hate against any section, is only going to please the prejudiced and kangaroo court people in UK society.

Honestly,she does come across in all the wrong ways on this.
This is not a major problem that she can solve with the usual divide and conquer stance.
In fact now this could escalate,not only attacks like this but also intolerance against Islamic communities who even are totally law abiding.
Awful wording today from a prime Minister after 3 incidents in only the same number of months.

Step up real security not divisive unhelpful rhetoric.

[Parmy]

That bloke on sky news telling his story.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes we have failed for 7yrs... But we're gonna CRACK DOWN!

* and they all vote tory*


****s sake!

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well it certainly is not going to help at all helping create more suspicion and division against Islam as she seems to be trying to.
At a time we need all communities and Islamic ones to come together to only then fuel more hate against any section, is only going to please the prejudiced and kangaroo court people in UK society.

Honestly,she does come across in all the wrong ways on this.
This is not a major problem that she can solve with the usual divide and conquer stance.
In fact now this could escalate,not only attacks like this but also intolerance against Islamic communities who even are totally law abiding.
Awful wording today from a prime Minister after 3 incidents in only the same number of months.

Step up real security not divisive unhelpful rhetoric.

She might be getting into bed with ukip for a coalition.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

You really need to find some new material for your act.
These are worn out, debunked and bogus.

That works both ways.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...s/amp/39176110

[Kazanne]

I don't know , people have been murdered,people have been injured,and all it gets down to is "I don't like TM,it's her fault,blah,blah,blah" maybe think of those poor souls who have lost their lives.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

No government can stop these soft target attacks.
Any idiot can jump in a car/van and mow people down and then attack them with knives, anywhere across the country, anywhere across the world.
5 attacks have been stopped since the Westminster attack, hardly complacency.
I should imagine a lot of voters will cast their vote towards who they feel safer with at the helm. Can't say Corbyn instills any confidence in me personally.

[Parmy]

What if your normal life involves getting a day ticket for london one saturday a month and doing a monopoly like pub crawl?

What if your in london on 7/7 with your 9yr old son on the last morning of your holiday standing outside earls court tube station as people flood out when all ypu want to do is go in like you did the morning before only 20 minutes earlier.

What if you get an hour long bus or train journey on a packed bus everday?

What are you supposed to do these days?

Do you stare at the asian guy with the rucksake squashed in 3 feet away, or do you stand looking at the floor or the tube map?

Dont blame racism, blame the constant wordly terrorist attacks.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't know , people have been murdered,people have been injured,and all it gets down to is "I don't like TM,it's her fault,blah,blah,blah" maybe think of those poor souls who have lost their lives.

So much worse than "I don't like immigrants, it's all their fault", right? You don't seem to have a problem with THAT rhetoric so you can dismount that high horse.

And also, as for thinking of the victims, it's possible to do both. There are going to be far more victims if there isn't an actual fundamental change.

A "bigger crack down and getting tougher" is not a change, it's more of the same hot air we've heard for years, it isn't working. The problems we have are so much bigger. Pushing back against them more and more rather than finding new ways to work through them is going to result in carnage that will make these attacks - as horrendous as they are - seem miniscule by comparison. I'm sick of pretending that the hate fuelled bile spitting xenophobes don't shoulder a huge part of the blame. And yes, I know that "But they blame PC and immigration 2 so there", funnily enough, that has already been mentioned. Every single day.

I don't care who does or doesn't want to hear the flipside; you're going to hear it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

No government can stop these soft target attacks.
Any idiot can jump in a car/van and mow people down and then attack them with knives, anywhere across the country, anywhere across the world.
5 attacks have been stopped since the Westminster attack, hardly complacency.
I should imagine a lot of voters will cast their vote towards who they feel safer with at the helm. Can't say Corbyn instills any confidence in me personally.

We have the best people for stopping attacks smudgie,no one mentions how many attacks have been stopped ,they prefer to use the ones that do get through as a political point scoring session,Kudos the the men and women who are working night and day to keep us safe and in the main they do just that,and our police were there last night in minutes,people are only human ,they will make mistakes,some expect miracles .

[joeysteele]

Everyone is thinking about the murdered people,it took me and my cousin until after 1 am to contact our family and friends in London.
Everyone cares about the murdered.

Knee jerk divisive worded statement from a PM trying to capitalise in even a small way,is what some people also do and should care about.

These terrorists don't care even to losing their own lives,you don't beat that by creating more suspicion and division.
You need the full cooperation from Islamic communities in an involved way.
Getting at Mrs May is justifiable,she called this election,she should ensure absolute strict real security is always in place during this time and beyond.
She was Home Secretary since May 2010, yet she's only now saying there's too much tolerance.

She did nothing as Home Secretary,it is she who needs to possibly consider these loss of lives more in the last 3 months and likely more to be lost too.
It's not her fault these terrorists do this but we had lives lost on a bridge just over 2 months ago,here we have another incident now.
Get real security on bridges for a start,even if that means inconveniencing flow of traffic.
Make bridge walkways safer,make it that traffic cannot charge into pedestrians.
She's done nothing, not a thing as to that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Dont blame racism, blame the constant wordly terrorist attacks.

The point is that one feeds directly into the other. Attacks increase racism, increased racism increases the amount as of radicalisation, increased radicalisation increases the number of attacks, which increases racism.

You continue to operate in that cycle if you want. It needs to be broken somewhere. And it's not going to broken "with a big ol' crackdown" that feeds directly into the same cycle.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Everyone is thinking about the murdered people,it took me and my cousin until after 1 am to contact our family and friends in London.
Everyone cares about the murdered.

Knee jerk divisive worded statement from a PM trying to capitalise in even a small way,is what some people also do and should care about.

These terrorists don't care even to losing their own lives,you don't beat that by creating more suspicion and division.
You need the full cooperation from Islamic communities in an involved way.
Getting at Mrs May is justifiable,she called this election,she should ensure absolute strict real security is always in place during this time and beyond.
She was Home Secretary since May 2010, yet she's only now saying there's too much tolerance.

She did nothing as Home Secretary,it is she who needs to possibly consider these loss of lives more in the last 3 months and likely more to be lost too.
It's not her fault these terrorists do this but we had lives lost on a bridge just over 2 months ago,here we have another incident now.
Get real security on bridges for a start,even if that means inconveniencing flow of traffic.
Make bridge walkways safer,make it that traffic cannot charge into pedestrians.
She's done nothing, not a thing as to that.

Well Joey these guys would rather die than spend time incarcerated in a prison,I think that would be a good solution ,but not imprisoned for months but for years they would hate that,as for making the bridges / walkways safer etc,I agree but at the same time you could just tell everyone to lock themselves indoors and they will be safe.If we didn't have the security we do have many more people would have been killed,we have some of the best. People seem to think they know what to do and how to solve it,i say get out there and do it if it is so easy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So much worse than "I don't like immigrants, it's all their fault", right? You don't seem to have a problem with THAT rhetoric so you can dismount that high horse.

And also, as for thinking of the victims, it's possible to do both. There are going to be far more victims if there isn't an actual fundamental change.

A "bigger crack down and getting tougher" is not a change, it's more of the same hot air we've heard for years, it isn't working. The problems we have are so much bigger. Pushing back against them more and more rather than finding new ways to work through them is going to result in carnage that will make these attacks - as horrendous as they are - seem miniscule by comparison. I'm sick of pretending that the hate fuelled bile spitting xenophobes don't shoulder a huge part of the blame. And yes, I know that "But they blame PC and immigration 2 so there", funnily enough, that has already been mentioned. Every single day.

I don't care who does or doesn't want to hear the flipside; you're going to hear it.

At least you are finally admitting there is a problem a few months ago you wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point is that one feeds directly into the other. Attacks increase racism, increased racism increases the amount as of radicalisation, increased radicalisation increases the number of attacks, which increases racism.

You continue to operate in that cycle if you want. It needs to be broken somewhere. And it's not going to broken "with a big ol' crackdown" that feeds directly into the same cycle.

The point is, at the moment only one side is at war, the other side is dilly dallying in fear of causing offence.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Lets all post our flags and we stand with london banners and go about our daily business as if nothings happened.

May is right, things need to change.

It's all good saying 'things need to change' but how do you combat an enemy that lives among us, waiting to strike without warning?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

At least you are finally admitting there is a problem a few months ago you wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism

I "wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism"? Bull****, Cherie.

Originally Posted by parmnion

The point is, at the moment only one side is at war, the other side is dilly dallying in fear of causing offence.

Oh and more bull****.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Chewy

It's all good saying 'things need to change' but how do you combat an enemy that lives among us, waiting to strike without warning?

With cruise missiles, stern words, and tabloid outrage Chewy. This is war, after all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't know , people have been murdered,people have been injured,and all it gets down to is "I don't like TM,it's her fault,blah,blah,blah" maybe think of those poor souls who have lost their lives.

I am thinking of them, you can't be complacent whilst bombing the feck out of countries indiscriminately.

To cut our public services and anti terror budget was a poor poor choice done under her governance, that cannot be sidelined where is the accountability?
Waiting for a terrorist atrocity to occur and THEN pledging improved civil contingency measures does nothing to help those who have died either.

[Tom4784]

There's nothing to be said that hasn't been said before really, TS has encapsulated what I believe in his posts.

Originally Posted by Shaun

I was about to say I can't imagine many would be dumb enough to believe that a government that's allowed 3 attacks to happen in 2 months, through complacency, police underfunding and failed immigration policy, could be trusted to be elected again but... Yes actually I can quite easily believe they would be.

The public as a whole are incredibly gullible so yes, that will come to pass.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well Joey these guys would rather die than spend time incarcerated in a prison,I think that would be a good solution ,but not imprisoned for months but for years they would hate that,as for making the bridges / walkways safer etc,I agree but at the same time you could just tell everyone to lock themselves indoors and they will be safe.If we didn't have the security we do have many more people would have been killed,we have some of the best. People seem to think they know what to do and how to solve it,i say get out there and do it if it is so easy.

Prisons, it is said prison has become a breeding ground for conversions to Islam.
In prison all they would do is set out to convert others to their cause.

Put them in a separate prison,for what by the way,just being possible suspects rather than doing a vile incident like this.
Lock people up for suspected reasons on this,that will only fuel those that think like them do be more determined to murder.

More hate,more suspicion,more division.
What can prisons do, this govt has demoralised prison officers, they cannot even stop drugs getting into prisons.

The vile terrorist that carries out these acts 'want' to be martyred.
They don't care.
The killers of Lee Rigby are imprisoned,they aren't bothered and attacks have not stopped.

Whether in prison or dead, these terrorists are seen as martyrs to a cause.
How to fight that, needs bringing together communities,not dividing further.
Not whip up prejudice and hate but work for full participation from Islamic communities and leaders against this distortion of their faith.

Make places safer and if that means more Police get them not have massive taxpayers bills keeping more and more people in prison who may never get to trial.
Start with bridges,where little escape is possible and make it as unlikely as is possible to prevent traffic invading walkways.
Get the full security on the streets,using the army if deemed necessary too.
Then actively engage with Islamic communities and leaders to work out real possible ways to start to deal with this.

Not just spout off wording that sounds tough but which has never so far come into action despite these vile attacks.
Also though,make security a National issue not a Party one and thrash out an agreed policy on this by all Parties. So that continuity of said policy is carried on even if and when a govt changes.