[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And yet you flat out reject the notion that all of the bombing and death in the middle east might push some middle eastern people over the edge?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.

But the vast majority of "terrorist incidents" in the West have been carried out by lone wolf individuals, pairs or small groups who have absolutely no link to ISIS or any other larger organisation.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But the vast majority of "terrorist incidents" in the West have been carried out by lone wolf individuals, pairs or small groups who have absolutely no link to ISIS or any other larger organisation.

Look ar the killers of Lee Rigby who spoke to camera, they placed the blame squarely on foreign policy, I don't doubt that radicalisation happens but it isn't always the case and where radicalisation is blamed it's also denied that it can be a tool that is used by right wing organisations...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-first-rally

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.

Didn't he hire a van though? That doesn't suggest a moment of madness it suggests a premeditated act.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Look ar the killers of Lee Rigby who spoke to camera, they placed the blame squarely on foreign policy, I don't doubt that radicalisation happens but it isn't always the case and where radicalisation is blamed it's also denied that it can be a tool that is used by right wing organisations...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-first-rally

No excuses for hurting someone.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No excuses for hurting someone.

I used it as an example not an excuse, I'll thank you not to infer different.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I used it as an example not an excuse, I'll thank you not to infer different.

Don't use politics to excuse vile acts.

[DemolitionRed]

The white supremacist murdering a member of the Labour Party was not a "Terrorist" according to the press. He was a "lone wolf". The same has happened with this recent deliberate murder.

A violent political motivated attack = terrorism. And we need to stop trying to soften something that ticks all the box's.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The white supremacist murdering a member of the Labour Party was not a "Terrorist" according to the press. He was a "lone wolf". The same has happened with this recent deliberate murder.

A violent political motivated attack = terrorism. And we need to stop trying to soften something that ticks all the box's.

Well as I said earlier as I had understood the definition of terrorism it was an atrosity committed by someone affliated to a political or religious organisation so in the case of Jo Cox her attacker was so affiliated and probably should be called terrorism. Although someone else said that the person doesn't have to be an affiliated to an organization.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.

I'm just gonna post this every time I see someone try to vindicate this terrorist for no other apparent reason than him being white.

It's utterly hypocritical to try to paint this guy as not being a terrorist when he ticks all the same boxes as an islamic terrorist.....except the skin colour box...

[Kizzy]

Can I? It will save a lot of time and effort

[Northern Monkey]

Is anyone disputing that this guy was a terrorist?I thought that was a given.
The topic is about how he was radicalised is'nt it?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Is anyone disputing that this guy was a terrorist?I thought that was a given.
The topic is about how he was radicalised is'nt it?

Ah yes the great self radicalised terrorism debate of 2017

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah yes the great self radicalised terrorism debate of 2017

No it was Lilly Allen.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The white supremacist murdering a member of the Labour Party was not a "Terrorist" according to the press. He was a "lone wolf". The same has happened with this recent deliberate murder.

A violent political motivated attack = terrorism. And we need to stop trying to soften something that ticks all the box's.

to call that bloke a terrorist is laughable

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm just gonna post this every time I see someone try to vindicate this terrorist for no other apparent reason than him being white.

It's utterly hypocritical to try to paint this guy as not being a terrorist when he ticks all the same boxes as an islamic terrorist.....except the skin colour box...

Boohoolocks!!!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

So does that mean when Islamic extremists give their reasoning for committing a terrorist attack, you'll believe them? Like Lee Rigby's killers (as has already been mentioned) citing UK foreign policy - you believe them and accept their reasoning?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to call that bloke a terrorist is laughable

To pretend they're not terrorists simply for being white is laughable

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to call that bloke a terrorist is laughable

For you it is but you've made it clear many, many times how you feel about Muslims and immigrants, so no surprise at ^those words!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

For you it is but you've made it clear many, many times how you feel about Muslims and immigrants, so no surprise at ^those words!

AND no surprise at yours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

AND no surprise at yours.

yes, one thinks that the porthole only views to the sea and not the the cabin within?

..................................

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

AND no surprise at yours.

The sad truth about bigotry is that most bigots either don't realize that they are bigots, or they convince themselves that their bigotry is perfectly justified!

Wayne Trotman

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The sad truth about bigotry is that most bigots either don't realize that they are bigots, or they convince themselves that their bigotry is perfectly justified!

Wayne Trotman

Bigotry means intolerance of opinions different to their own. So you you see the sad truth is you are every bit as bigoted as you accuse me of being. So get off your high horse.

[DemolitionRed]

bigotry

noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.
"the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry"
synonyms, prejudice, bias, partisanship, sectarianism, discrimination, unfairness, injustice; intolerance, narrow-mindedness, fanaticism, dogmatism; racism, racialism, sexism, heterosexism, homophobia, chauvinism, anti-Semitism, jingoism;

antonyms: tolerance!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Don't use politics to excuse vile acts.

Don't use serious debates to troll me

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't use serious debates to troll me

As if you were that lucky!