[Alf]

Why wouldn't he support Trump?

Trump is the most pro LGBT President ever.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If Raph said that he supported Hitler massacring millions of Jewish people, and caused a World War because he was a dictator then I wouldn't support Raph.

I can accept that. it's not you that has contradicted yourself yet here. It's Ponty.

[Jian Yang]

US politics doesn't really effect me, Hilary is no less dodgy than Trump in any case, so whatever!

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

US politics doesn't really effect me, Hilary is no less dodgy than Trump in any case, so whatever!

US politics affect the whole world.

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

US politics affect the whole world.

It's doesn't really affect me.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I can accept that. it's not you that has contradicted yourself yet here. It's Ponty.

Tbf hasn't Ponty said the same stuff that I've said?

I can't remember all of the posts on here so I'm interested.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

It's doesn't really affect me.

So if the U.S. nuke the east and the UK goes to war with them that doesn't affect you?

Politicians are morons and it affects all of us. Sorry.

[storybrooke]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You don't think that tells you a lot about who they are?

If he wore a swastika in his VT, but then never mentioned it in the house... That would be ok to you?

Yeah I suppose you can learn something from it, but political beliefs don't define an entire personality in my opinion.

But no I wouldn't support him in the house if he wore a swastika.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf hasn't Ponty said the same stuff that I've said?

I can't remember all of the posts on here so I'm interested.

Yeah we've both agreed on this topic tbf.

[Vanessa]

This is nothing new. We know this from his VT. I like Trump personally. But to each his own.

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

So if the U.S. nuke the east and the UK goes to war with them that doesn't affect you?

Politicians are morons and it affects all of us. Sorry.

No don't be sorry. Until that happens, if it even happens, US politics doesn't play a major role in everyone's day to day lives in the UK. We have enough to contend with here politically, lets not worry too much about the US political landscape just yet.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf hasn't Ponty said the same stuff that I've said?

I can't remember all of the posts on here so I'm interested.

No, he has stated clearly that he does not judge HMs for their political leanings outside the house, only that which they do inside.

Then he has gone on to say that he wouldn't support a Nazi in there.

I am questioning his contradiction. Because there clearly is one.

(I never mentioned Hitler, BTW. I was referring to modern white supremacists, Modern Nazis. The Hitler thing is him.)

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Yeah we've both agreed on this topic tbf.

No. Mystic hasn't been contradictory yet.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by storybrooke

Yeah I suppose you can learn something from it, but political beliefs don't define an entire personality in my opinion.

But no I wouldn't support him in the house if he wore a swastika.

That's fine. I can accept that as a PoV.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

No don't be sorry. Until that happens, if it even happens, US politics doesn't play a major role in everyone's day to day lives in the UK. We have enough to contend with here politically, lets not worry too much about the US political landscape just yet.

Unfortunately it's not that simple as the UK and the US continue to have a "special bond" US politics do directly affect us which sucks. I'm totally against it but it's just something we need to prepare for and not just chill out and be caught off guard when Trump takes a step to far and causes world war 3.

It's an actual real possibility.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

...when Trump takes a step to far and causes world war 3.

It's an actual real possibility.

But, let's get behind those that use a public platform like BB to endorse Trump?

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Unfortunately it's not that simple as the UK and the US continue to have a "special bond" US politics do directly affect us which sucks. I'm totally against it but it's just something we need to prepare for and not just chill out and be caught off guard when Trump takes a step to far and causes world war 3.

It's an actual real possibility.

Trump will not cause WW3. Big business, the real leaders of the free world will never allow it. Politics is a business, run and funded by other businesses. Trump is a businessman who just happens to be President. His word isn't as strong as we're lead to believe.

Anyway, we're going way off topic here. Raph voting for Trump isn't the end of the world, literally.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by vesavius

But, let's get behind those that use a public platform like BB to endorse Trump?

I haven't said Ive got behind him to support Trump and he hasn't mentioned him once in the last 3 weeks....it was all for his vt.

Can you stop paraphrasing my posts and actually have a proper conversation?

Ive said in all my posts im not a fan of Trump and have no favourite housemates.

I judge the house day by day, I'm not some sad fan of a housemate who in a fans eyes can do no wrong. Like I said I judge housemates ONLY on their behaviour in the house and so far Raph has not been offensive or degrading or sexist which I agree is strange considering who he supports pollitically BUT that was all said to get him into th house and it's worked so good for him.

I really can't be arsed for arguments so stop cherry picking my comments and if you have a valid point to make post a detailed response and not these snide remarks and atrocious comparisons to Nazis.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Stop pulling that "please stop attacking me" nonsense there's other people in this thread who have called you out on the exact same points.

Then stop making personal attacks please. I will stop when you do. The difference is others haven't made personal attacks, just stated an opinion, which is fine. You have made a ton of personal attack posts today.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

Trump will not cause WW3. Big business, the real leaders of the free world will never allow it. Politics is a business, run and funded by other businesses. Trump is a businessman who just happens to be President. His word isn't as strong as we're lead to believe.

Anyway, we're going way off topic here. Raph voting for Trump isn't the end of the world, literally.

Can't we all just get along? Lol......seeing as it's peace and love in the BB house at the moment.

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Can't we all just get along? Lol......seeing as it's peace and love in the BB house at the moment.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

I haven't s the n him support Trump once in the last 3 weeks....it was all for his vt.

Yes, indeed. You are supporting a HM that used his VT as a platform to endorse Trump.

But your contradictions are not cherry picked, they are actually what you have said.

I am just interested in looking at them honestly.

[Ant.]

I love democracy and freedom of speech

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

I love democracy and freedom of speech

As do I. i haven't actually expressed a political opinion myself in this, I am just interested in how the fans of Raph are reconciling an apparent dislike of Trump with supporting a guy that used TV to endorse Trump.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, indeed. You are supporting a HM that used his VT as a platform to endorse Trump.

But your contradictions are not cherry picked, they are actually what you have said.

I am just interested in looking at them honestly.

AGAIN....I will reiterate seeing as you seem to scan my posts.

I have said I HAVE NO FAVOURITE AND JUDGE THE HOUSE DAY BY DAY.

Seriously when are you going to give this up? I think I'm pretty fair when it comes to every housemate. I call it as I see it each episode and never get behind one housemate.....you won't find a thread spewing love over any housemate from me as it changes so quickly with each show.