[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

thats communism

Em no! its having a social structure in housing

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Em no! its having a social structure in housing

no its not, you want to take away everyones opportunity and ambition to buy one? thats communism. ambition is critical!

[DemolitionRed]

Now we have very little social (government owned) housing left so the Cons clasp their hands and come up with the idea of extending the right to buy to housing association tenants. Unlike council houses, the government don’t own these homes and so it has to compensate the housing associations every time there's a sale. The only way they can do this is by snatching newly vacated council property and selling it for its real market value. That spare money is then used to compensate housing association sales. Obviously, the higher value the council house, the more money in the pot. Higher value council houses in the most affluent parts of London are NOT being sold off to tenants and because tenants are not moving on quickly enough, government repossession orders are getting these tenants relocated to two bedroom properties in places like Dudley. What we won’t see is new council houses being built.

We have over 2 million people on council house waiting lists and we are losing around 100,000 social homes a year. More and more tenants are having to move into privately owned properties and will pay double or more in rent and have to abide by costly contracts that could see them out on the street in six months. Even people with disabilities are having to rent privately.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

no its not, you want to take away everyones opportunity and ambition to buy one? thats communism. ambition is critical!

No, I just want my children to have real choice without being crippled by debt. Perhaps that's selfish but then aren't we all to some extent

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, I just want my children to have real choice without being crippled by debt. Perhaps that's selfish but then aren't we all to some extent

lol well dont vote labour then because debt is all they will leave your children

[jet]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm so certain that you dont understand what is happening right now, but you spend so much time talking about labour and tories it that I kinda feel bad for suggesting that.
You say stuff like this all the time lol. You know its been completely irrelevant ever since May clung to power, right? All of Labours policies can not work under May's power because there is less money to play with.. they can no longer vote how they want to, as they have to vote with the current budget (multitudes less than what could have been) in mind.
You understand that right, its like the basic part. Your posts keep suggesting that you dont understand the basic part to an election.

Corbyn said he'd be in power within 6 months, remember? That would less than 5 months now. Just in time for Christmas and Santa Corbyn with his big money sack. Yippee!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jet

Corbyn said he'd be in power within 6 months, remember? That would less than 5 months now. Just in time for Christmas and Santa Corbyn with his big money sack. Yippee!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not so clued up as you imply.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not so clued up as you imply.

Its cool that you can make presumptions from an emoji. I've stated not so long ago, in quite a large discussion with you why i tend to ignore the debates nowadays, thats still the case - its still not worth my time, its changed for the worse very recently (see the post I quoted here for an example).

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

no its not, you want to take away everyones opportunity and ambition to buy one? thats communism. ambition is critical!

Hang on, "take away everyone's opportunity and ambition to buy one"

You only have the opportunity if you've already had the opportunity but for those who haven't had that opportunity, there's likely no future opportunity to buy... Got it?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hang on, "take away everyone's opportunity and ambition to buy one"

You only have the opportunity if you've already had the opportunity but for those who haven't had that opportunity, there's likely no future opportunity to buy... Got it?

yeyyy santa corbyn will bring us banktuptcy and communism for Christmas

[DemolitionRed]

This is like playing chess with pigeons...
no matter how good you are, the bird is going to siht on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is like playing chess with pigeons...
no matter how good you are, the bird is going to siht on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its cool that you can make presumptions from an emoji. I've stated not so long ago, in quite a large discussion with you why i tend to ignore the debates nowadays, thats still the case - its still not worth my time, its changed for the worse very recently (see the post I quoted here for an example).

I'm talking about your sarcasm in post 16 where you accuse me of getting confused about who is currently in power when I was clearly talking about if Corbyn gets into power. You didn't seem to get that he could still get in, The Tories are not out of the woods yet.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm talking about your sarcasm in post 16 where you accuse me of getting confused about who is currently in power when I was clearly talking about if Corbyn gets into power. You didn't seem to get that he could still get in, The Tories are not out of the woods yet.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm talking about your sarcasm in post 16 where you accuse me of getting confused about who is currently in power when I was clearly talking about if Corbyn gets into power. You didn't seem to get that he could still get in, The Tories are not out of the woods yet.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is like playing chess with pigeons...
no matter how good you are, the bird is going to siht on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

youre the pigeon you expect society to pay to clean up your ****

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

More and more tenants are having to move into privately owned properties and will pay double or more in rent and have to abide by costly contracts that could see them out on the street in six months.

IIRC Truth is a private landlord so this probably makes his balls tingle with glee.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

IIRC Truth is a private landlord so this probably makes his balls tingle with glee.

yeah the left peddle all landlords as evil ebeneezer scrooges and all tennants to be florence nightingale types.....Im sure that sells well to naive students , the real world is totally different, its called real politik

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

yeah the left peddle all landlords as evil ebeneezer scrooges

As someone who has been renting privately since I was 18, with 6 different landlords... Yeah that sounds pretty accurate. I've had one who was brilliant, one who was decent, and four who have been money-grubbing arseholes.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

IIRC Truth is a private landlord so this probably makes his balls tingle with glee.

That's unfair...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

That's unfair...

It's unfair to suggest that a right-"leaning" private landlord is probably happy about there being more money in the private rental business due to a lack of social housing?

In what possible way is it unfair?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's unfair to suggest that a right-"leaning" private landlord is probably happy about there being more money in the private rental business due to a lack of social housing?

In what possible way is it unfair?

If you'd said it like that in the first place, nothing, if this time you had also taken out the right - leaning bit. (thanks DM, I missed that!)

[DemolitionRed]

Being a landlord or a tenant has nothing to do with being right or left wing. To suggest such a thing goes to show how pointless this sort of debate is.

Don't shoot me but I used to be an estate agent for a well known and apparently reputable company As well as sales we did rentals and so I saw first hand how the scams worked. Yes you get some awful landlords and yes you get some equally awful tenants but the biggest evil in property rentals are the agents running full management contracts. I once wrote but never got round to publishing a document aimed at tenants and landlords regarding how their letting agent could and likely would screw them over.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Being a landlord or a tenant has nothing to do with being right or left wing. To suggest such a thing goes to show how pointless this sort of debate is.

Don't shoot me but I used to be an estate agent for a well known and apparently reputable company As well as sales we did rentals and so I saw first hand how the scams worked. Yes you get some awful landlords and yes you get some equally awful tenants but the biggest evil in property rentals are the agents running full management contracts. I once wrote but never got round to publishing a document aimed at tenants and landlords regarding how their letting agent could and likely would screw them over.

To be fair, with one of my "bad landlords" I'm pretty sure that 90% of the problem was miscommunication via the rental company. Everything we got via them sounded short and snippy, whereas when the guy actually came round he was always helpful and pleasant. And yet we had major issues getting our deposit back (with ridiculous claims like £100 for cleaning the kitchen when I had spend every night after work for a week going back to the house to make sure it was immaculate) and that was all handled via the rental company.