[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

perhaps in your world but in my world its very irrational. ISIS doesn't represent Islam and so being fearful of what Islam represents isn't justified either. Education is a great resource to your fears but be warned, the wrong sort of education could have you believe all Muslims are warriors who think alike.

Straaaawmaaaan. I didn't mention ISIS, nor did I say all muslims think alike. However, islamic culture currently includes FGM, throwing gay off rooves, and child marriage. Which of these is it irrational to be against?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

perhaps in your world but in my world its very irrational. ISIS doesn't represent Islam and so being fearful of what Islam represents isn't justified either. Education is a great resource to your fears but be warned, the wrong sort of education could have you believe all Muslims are warriors who think alike.

That reads as only anything pro-Islam is the 'right' education. Blinkered maybe!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Straaaawmaaaan. I didn't mention ISIS, nor did I say all muslims think alike. However, islamic culture currently includes FGM, throwing gay off rooves, and child marriage. Which of these is it irrational to be against?

As those children have no say in their marriages often to much older men it is also child rape.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That reads as only anything pro-Islam is the 'right' education. Blinkered maybe!

Yes you are, extremely! If that's how you read DR's comment then that shows just how blinkered you are. Your motto should be 'Hate and divide'.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yes you are, extremely! If that's how you read DR's comment then that shows just how blinkered you are. Your motto should be 'Hate and divide'.

No my motto is to 'question dubious religious practice'. Without such questioning all number of atrocities have been carried out in the name of religion.

Using terminology such as 'hate and divide' against those that question is diversion tactics and a weak attempt to shut down such questioning.

[JTM45]

There are dubious practices amongst the vast majority of religions yet you constantly only drone on about those attributed to the Muslim religion. Far more people in the UK have suffered at the hands of the Catholic religion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...c-country-jobs

As 'Islamophobia' is a made -up word used by those with a clear agenda to shut down any criticism of one particular religion, including both the author of the article and the left-wing newspaper, what value do such emotive articles have other than to stir and further attempt to shut down any discussion on Islam. How better to control!

How about antisemitism, is that made up?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

perhaps in your world but in my world its very irrational. ISIS doesn't represent Islam and so being fearful of what Islam represents isn't justified either. Education is a great resource to your fears but be warned, the wrong sort of education could have you believe all Muslims are warriors who think alike.

So you are saying it's irrational to be an atheist? But it's not irrational to believe there is a king in the sky who will let you into a virgin debauching party when you die? And We will all be down with that if we are educated?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

There are dubious practices amongst the vast majority of religions yet you constantly only drone on about those attributed to the Muslim religion. Far more people in the UK have suffered at the hands of the Catholic religion.

Maybe, maybe not - but Islam is the religion currently out there, constantly shoved down our throats and the one even given a made-up name in an attempt to shut down criticism. It is the most vocal demanding special treatment such as sharia law, prayer breaks in the workplace, exemption from criticism and jokes, automatic respect from non-Muslims whilst not doing the same for other religions. The dubious practices of the religion often seem to get lost behind all that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How about antisemitism, is that made up?

Not to my knowledge.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not to my knowledge.

Could that not be said to be a made up word that is used when a specific group is criticised?

Don't want to appear hypocritical do you?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by JTM45

There are dubious practices amongst the vast majority of religions yet you constantly only drone on about those attributed to the Muslim religion. Far more people in the UK have suffered at the hands of the Catholic religion.

In the past, sure. It's a bit of a moot point as there aren't any post defending Catholicism, nor any threads about it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In the past, sure. It's a bit of a moot point as there aren't any post defending Catholicism, nor any threads about it.

In the past?... :/

It isn't a 'moot' point it is entirely comparable, is it perhaps not considered repressive, oppressive and suppressive enough due to the fact it happens to be a Christian religion?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Could that not be said to be a made up word that is used when a specific group is criticised?

Don't want to appear hypocritical do you?

Well as many Muslims seem to be antisemetic it's a strange word to try to make comparisons with.

Whatever, at least it isn't a word trying to hide behind a 'clinical' definition to give it more clout. It's pretentious nonsence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Well as many Muslims seem to be antisemetic it's a strange word to try to make comparisons with.

Whatever, at least it isn't a word trying to hide behind a 'clinical' definition to give it more clout. It's pretentious nonsence.

All words have a clinical definition, that's why there are dictionaries.

Again you are entirely fixating on Muslims...My point is if there is a word that defines the maligning of one group why then is it so unreasonable to have a word equal in it's definition for another.

It appears hypocritical

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

In the past?... :/

It isn't a 'moot' point it is entirely comparable, is it perhaps not considered repressive, oppressive and suppressive enough due to the fact it happens to be a Christian religion?

Feel free to start a thread. Maybe you could mention how the culture surrounding the religion drives people to take their daughter abroad for FGM or child marriage. Ohwait, wrong religion.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Well as many Muslims seem to be antisemetic it's a strange word to try to make comparisons with.

Whatever, at least it isn't a word trying to hide behind a 'clinical' definition to give it more clout. It's pretentious nonsence.

Pick your battles - it's a "made up word" so who cares. The phobia isn't added to the end to make it sound clinical, it's just a word.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Whatever, at least it isn't a word trying to hide behind a 'clinical' definition to give it more clout. It's pretentious nonsence.

I agree, we should stop calling it Islamophobia and start calling it what it is.

Racism.

But you're not a big fan of that one either, are you Brillo? In fact, it seems like you would like to "ban" any "negative sounding" word from being used to describe people who like to spout hatred about Muslims. I wonder why that is?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

All words have a clinical definition, that's why there are dictionaries.

Again you are entirely fixating on Muslims...My point is if there is a word that defines the maligning of one group why then is it so unreasonable to have a word equal in it's definition for another.

It appears hypocritical

Or hypo-clinical

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree, we should stop calling it Islamophobia and start calling it what it is.

Racism.

But you're not a big fan of that one either, are you Brillo? In fact, it seems like you would like to "ban" any "negative sounding" word from being used to describe people who like to spout hatred about Muslims. I wonder why that is?

You could, but that of course would be technically incorrect as race and religion are not one and the same.

If you disapprove of a religion and its practices you must therefore be 'racist' - yeah that makes sense!

Sounds more like a case of adding 2+2 together and coming up with 5.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You could, but that of course would be technically incorrect as race and religion are not one and the same.

If you disapprove of a religion and its practices you must therefore be 'racist' - yeah that makes sense!

Are you saying that you have no problem whatsoever with middle-eastern immigrants who are nonreligious?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you saying that you have no problem whatsoever with middle-eastern immigrants who are nonreligious?

Generally no I don't. But it would of course depend on other factors such as views and behaviour. If a group of people for instance are known for mistreating women, it would not be desirable or acceptable whether they tried to justify that with religion or not.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So you are saying it's irrational to be an atheist? But it's not irrational to believe there is a king in the sky who will let you into a virgin debauching party when you die? And We will all be down with that if we are educated?

How on earth did you come up with that?

Muslims don't frighten me.
I don't fear Muslims.
I am not Muslim.
I respect the Muslim faith the same as I respect any faith.
I also respect atheists.
I don't agree with some religious practices. FGM is not a religious practice though.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe, maybe not - but Islam is the religion currently out there, constantly shoved down our throats and the one even given a made-up name in an attempt to shut down criticism. It is the most vocal demanding special treatment such as sharia law, prayer breaks in the workplace, exemption from criticism and jokes, automatic respect from non-Muslims whilst not doing the same for other religions. The dubious practices of the religion often seem to get lost behind all that.

No, its not out there any more than Judism or Christianity. Its only 'out there' on here where you continually bring up the subject of this religion so you can demonize it. You constantly try to ram its evils down our throats.

You clearly read up on its evilness all the time because every time you find something you deem a little juicy, you bring it here to 'shove it down our throats'.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't agree with some religious practices. FGM is not a religious practice though.

It's not scripturally informed, true, but it's part of islamic culture.